Relic; It's Time We Had That Talk

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2013, 11:44 AMThe_Riddler

In all fairness, the people that ventilate their criticism are the ones that pressure Relic to pressure Steam to make things happen. The likes of OnkelSam, Rogers etc. are not exactly helpful in developing and improving the game, because their contentment with the current pace of the development does not speed things up, nor does it give the Relic developers an idea of what needs to be changed/added rapidly.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2013, 02:07 AMDanielD

Well, that is a pretty valid complaint.

That being said if you really care about leader boards you might as well find somewhere on the internet to compare the size of your genitals to people around the world; meanwhile the real men will play in tournaments to determine whose is bigger who is best.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2013, 11:44 AMThe_Riddler

In all fairness, the people that ventilate their criticism are the ones that pressure Relic to pressure Steam to make things happen. The likes of OnkelSam, Rogers etc. are not exactly helpful in developing and improving the game, because their contentment with the current pace of the development does not speed things up, nor does it give the Relic developers an idea of what needs to be changed/added rapidly.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2013, 16:09 PMpqumsieh

I hear you Marxist, I feel the same frustration when I play against strafe on live. Honestly, it wasn't on our radar until post release, which is completely my fault for not spotting it.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2013, 12:47 PMAmiPolizeiFunk

You couldn't be more wrong. We give tons of critical feedback directly to Relic, you just don't see it.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2013, 18:42 PMTristan44

I have to disagree. Vcoh was NOT as bad as coh2 is now in its current state. Not only the balance, but the pathing, the graphics, the available features.... I agree vcoh definitely had its problems but the developers should have learned from these experiences not repeat them! You would think coh2 would come out a little more polished then its predecessor! There is no excuse for this!

I am less concerned with everyones else gripes, what really gets me mad and I feel others should be too, is the performance in coh2!!!! I have an alienware x51 and I have play with setting all low!! This is so unacceptable! Granted I dont have the BEST pc ever I would still like to play with graphics turned up a bit. If I do decide I wanna see pretty things, I pay for it dearly on snow maps. Argggggg!!!!!

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2013, 14:43 PMThe_Riddler

Well, that is great, but I just responded to what is being said in this thread/on this forum. There is no way I can know or check what you lot are saying to Relic developers on Steam, Xfire, Teamspeak, Mumble, Ventrilo and personal messages anywhere else.

Constructive: "I paid for the game and I expect it to have Leaderboards like it says on the Steam product page."

Not Constructive: "This is another total fail on Relic. What are they hiring Boston Terriers to program things now? I'm never buying a Relic game again and I'm burning my copy of CoH 2."

Constructive: "I think that the T-70 should have a faster rate of fire."

Not Constructive: "Everyone knows that the T-70 is way UP. I can't believe Relic still hasn't fixed it! What, do they just sit at their desks and master..."

Constructive: "The Ostwind is too expensive."

Not Constructive: "LOL FU NOOBS OSTWINZ 2 XPENSY. FU. SHOOT URSELVES."

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2013, 17:35 PMNoun

It's not so much that they do it in private, which is cool but we understand not everyone has a direct line to us that some of the longer serving members of the community do. The key is that they're able to do it in a constructive manner without resorting to hyperbole.



Nobody is saying that the game is perfect. We wouldn't be doing regular patches to add more content, fix bugs and adjust balance if it was. And truthfully apart from the original Elevator Action, no game has ever been perfect.

Ultimately it comes down to what sort of dialogue you as a consumer, and as a community want to have. In consumer focused industries feedback is important, and just as if we were working in a restaurant we want to make your experience as great as possible.

I have worked on games where the dev team got to the point where they just said that the forums were pointless because all they got was negative feedback no matter what. Relationships can get toxic, and when feedback stops being valuable because people are more interested in showing how angry they are, or how clever they are, then developers focus on other avenues.

I don't want that relationship to get toxic. I think it's in a really good place, but it takes work on both sides to keep it that way.

From our side we need to be engaged with our forums, and these ones. We need to listen to feedback and do our best to give you what you want in the scope of what we can do.

That doesn't mean that because you make a post saying you want a Zombie Mode we're going to run out and do that. Or that if you say X is OP we'll nerf it the next day. We can't do everything everyone says, nobody could. Especially since despite all the "everyone knows" type posts, there's never 100% agreement on anything.

If we nerf X then some people will say, "The developers never listen, they nerfed X!"

If we don't nerf X then some people will say, "The developers never listen, they didn't nerf X!"

From your end as a consumer, a fan and a member of the community how you behave is up to you. In my view you would get more out of being constructive.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2013, 17:53 PMPingPing

Noun - I think its great that you take part here and are actively participating in the discussion.

HOWEVER - a good majority of the discussion here is about the lacking MULTI-PLAYER features of COH2.

I hate saying it - but the more you post here without addressing that specific concern - the more toxic the discussion is going to get.

We don't expect dates - roadmaps - detailed discussion etc - simply put - Will we get COH1 game making ability?

A simple "yes" or "no" will put your community at ease - that's all we ask.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2013, 17:35 PMNoun

"LOL FU NOOBS OSTWINZ 2 XPENSY. FU. SHOOT URSELVES."

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2013, 17:53 PMPingPing

HOWEVER - a good majority of the discussion here is about the lacking MULTI-PLAYER features of COH2.

I hate saying it - but the more you post here without addressing that specific concern - the more toxic the discussion is going to get.

We don't expect dates - roadmaps - detailed discussion etc - simply put - Will we get COH1 game making ability?

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2013, 18:05 PMcr4wler

and you already got the answer about 100 times.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2013, 18:10 PMNoun

As I say we don't talk about new features until they're ready to go. We're talking about Leaderboards because they were promised for launch and we've dropped the ball on that.

Beyond that we're not talking about what's coming next.

Having said that there are multi-player game creation features in CoH 2. You can do a comp stomp. You can play annihilate.

Will be be expanding on that functionality? We're not talking about that at this point.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2013, 18:09 PMCyridius

I think Noun alluded to this earlier in the thread, but using "we" isn't really suitable. Speak for yourself and people are less inclined to disregard you as a wackjob.



Fite me IRL bro, I swear on me mum's life I will deck u.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2013, 18:12 PMPingPing

Noun - I have to say thank you for at least trying to answer it.

Its not the answer I was hoping for, but at least you addressed it.

I do sincerely thank you for that though.