Updates on BALANCE PREVIEW MOD

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2016, 07:22 AMKatitof

Well, UKF can't heal with 0 micro

Seriously, if you didn't seen side tech for OKW coming, you must've kept your head in your rear.

Plus, it was NEVER an issue up until now. What about all the people going mechanized first?

I'm really sorry, but OKW can't be the special snowflake forever, especially now that all the penalties are gone.

Time to make choices instead of rush and spam certain shit

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2016, 07:25 AMVuther

All the healing methods save for UKF seem pretty proportionate to me.

USF: 250 MP, 10 FU
UKF: 30 MU on a unit that you will always have (granted it costs field presence to use by putting the squad out of the fight)
SU: 250 MP
Wehr: 150 MP, 60 MU
OKW: 100 MP, 15 FU

OKW Medical Supplies could probably still use a cost boost though.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2016, 07:28 AMmortiferum

Sure, choices.

UKF chooses to spend 60 ammo and click ability.
USF chooses to spend 150 mp and 15 fuel (movable).
USSR chooses to spend 250 mp.
Ost chooses to spend 150 mp + 60 ammo.
OKW chooses to lock itself to 1 tier for a while, pay for truck, tech, then side grade for a total of 400mp + 55 fuel.

Balanced ))))))))))))))))))

It is not "special snowflake", even with FREE medic truck it was not as special as you make it out to be for the simple reason that it usually arrives later than the healing of other faction and it also "costs a bit more".

With your logics, USSR should have healing locked behind tier 1 in order to promote "choices". Since this is a preview mod, I will say I am against it. Does not mean it will stop me from playing OKW

PS: Rushing and spam certain shit sounds like USSR with it's Maxims before the increase in MP doesn't it?

)))))))))))

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2016, 07:36 AMmortiferum

100 mp + 15 fuel is reasonable if you look at it as is, but the point I am raising is that the combined cost of the truck + tier 1 + side grade + "the cost of going tier I instead of tier II" makes that decision more expensive.

It would be like locking USSR field hospital behind tier 1.

Totally agree with you about medical supply though. If the cost is a bit lower rather than a consistent bleed of ammo, it will be better.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2016, 07:28 AMmortiferum

Sure, choices.

UKF chooses to spend 60 ammo and click ability.
USF chooses to spend 150 mp and 15 fuel (movable).
USSR chooses to spend 250 mp.
Ost chooses to spend 150 mp + 60 ammo.
OKW chooses to lock itself to 1 tier for a while, pay for truck, tech, then side grade for a total of 400mp + 55 fuel.

Balanced ))))))))))))))))))

It is not "special snowflake", even with FREE medic truck it was not as special as you make it out to be for the simple reason that it usually arrives later than the healing of other faction and it also "costs a bit more".

With your logics, USSR should have healing locked behind tier 1 in order to promote "choices". Since this is a preview mod, I will say I am against it. Does not mean it will stop me from playing OKW

PS: Rushing and spam certain shit sounds like USSR with it's Maxims before the increase in MP doesn't it?

)))))))))))

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2016, 07:42 AMFiresparks

USF ambulance is 250 mp and 15 fuel.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2016, 07:42 AMKatitof

The combined cost means it will literally come 30 seconds later then it does now and will put tech costs in-line with other armies.

If you'll be bleeding uncomprehendingly in that 30 seconds, then maybe YOLO charge less.

Seriously, if that REALLY was ANY kind of concern, where were you when OKW released like that?
Where were you when OKW was revamped?

This is not a valid point, this is just denial or bargaining phase.

Don't worry, you'll come to the acceptance eventually.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2016, 06:31 AMFiresparks

this is the tech cost of all four factions currently in game, note the faction with the lowest manpower cost.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g5csCZt9UrVnNy-k9w8DRh1F6Rzeu7hMCLXZoxSdNRk/edit#gid=0

this is the tech cost of all four factions in the preview. Note who is still the faction with the lowest manpower cost.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XzA2COrqCsnBD1kn1PClzUnN6rxr1cOt2sJxZnK3Oss/edit#gid=0

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2016, 07:50 AMmycalliope

hmmm except certain cases okw is on par with otherfaction but still the medic truck and mechanic upgrade still gets delayed why not just replace it with munitions instead of manpower and fuel

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2016, 01:38 AMPablonano

That SU-85 nerfs... Its an overexpensive bad joke Jackson

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2016, 07:53 AMDAZ187

these okw changes might actually backfire. i hate shreks but. another unit needs to be added into the tech tree. to mimic pgrens

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2016, 07:53 AMmortiferum

Well, these are the solutions I can think of. Unsure as to consequences though.

1) Leave as it is, truck = healing.
2) Cost changes to healing. OKW floats MP and needs MP sinks, not fuel sinks. 250 mp on par with USSR/ 1 squad of volksgren is not unreasonable.
3) Sturmpio gets healing package earlier/ stock
4) Rework Sturmpio healing package to mirror UKF Infantry section healing

*I did forget to mention UKF does need to tech up for medical kit though.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2016, 07:47 AMmortiferum

1) It will come later than literally 30 seconds compared to other forms of healing

2) I do not bleed uncontrollably, but RNjesus is not merciful and having a squad of 4 sturmpio models alive while all down to last silver of health each puts it out of the fight longer than rifles down to same amount of health since the timing of healing

3) I was not playing OKW when OKW was first released, nor was I playing much during the time that the big change to OKW took place.

5) Focus on the topic at hand, and either respond with evidence contrary to why it is balanced/ unbalanced for OKW healing to cost more rather than statements like "Deal with it" or "You will come to the acceptance eventually".

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2016, 07:58 AMmycalliope

what are the stats on okw healing and reapir vs other factions..??
also firesparks i need those dps charts of yours from google doc.