Fire up and Combined Arms

Jump back to quoted post20 Mar 2016, 20:29 PMCookiezNcreem

Fire up just affects movement posture. No actual debuffs once its over, except movement speed obviously, and no buffs like accuracy or damage when its going on.

Stats for alot of stuff is in the commander guides here now.


For combined arms, the stats are

Infantry: -20% Reload +30% Accuracy, +35% sight


Vehicles: +35% sight, -30% Reload, +5 range"

Jump back to quoted post20 Mar 2016, 21:57 PMNemesis10192

Actually to add to that, do you know if anyone has created a list of tank gun penetration values and tabulated %chance to pen of penetration of gun v target armor?

Jump back to quoted post20 Mar 2016, 22:04 PMCookiezNcreem

quick reference of all Tank and AT gun penetration is on coh2 http://stat.coh2.hu/

I dont know of any penetration % lists/google docs however.

Calculating pen chance is just pen/armor x 100.

Jump back to quoted post20 Mar 2016, 22:04 PMCookiezNcreem

quick reference of all Tank and AT gun penetration is on coh2 http://stat.coh2.hu/

I dont know of any penetration % lists/google docs however.

Calculating pen chance is just pen/armor x 100.

Jump back to quoted post20 Mar 2016, 22:49 PMNemesis10192

Just to check, is that formula actually true? So an easy 8 pens the frontal armour of a ost p4 (180 pen v 165 armour) 91.7% of the time and a jackson ALWAYS pens an ost p4 whatever the facing (220 pen)?

My initial reaction was that couldn't possibly be true but on reflection the jackson mainly just misses a lot and shoots sloooow as fuck and quite frankly I barely ever use them so can't even remember any games of jackson v p4 to think if I'd ever seen a bounce...

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2016, 00:03 AMCookiezNcreem

I'm pretty sure; I've never seen a Jackson bounce on a vet0 p4(now at vet 2 and vs OKW p4... Different story)The thing with coh2.hu is that it uses the mid range penetration across far/mid/near.

Your math must be off somewhere, I got a 109% chance for E8 vs P4 at mid, not 91%.

However I got 96.9% for Max range e8 vs p4.

Don't forget the chances change depending on distance, at 'near'(point blank) the E8 has 200 penetration I think(I'm pretty sure penetration jumps up or down 20 between the far/mid/near intervals), but at at FAR(Max range) it's only 160.

Jump back to quoted post20 Mar 2016, 20:29 PMCookiezNcreem

Fire up just affects movement posture. No actual debuffs once its over, except movement speed obviously, and no buffs like accuracy or damage when its going on.

Stats for alot of stuff is in the commander guides here now.


For combined arms, the stats are

Infantry: -20% Reload +30% Accuracy, +35% sight


Vehicles: +35% sight, -30% Reload, +5 range"

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2016, 01:55 AMClassyDavid

Wait this reload speed....does it stack with Pershing Vet 3 -50% reload? If that's true.......... oh my lord.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2016, 02:49 AMCookiezNcreem

snip

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2016, 02:51 AMClassyDavid

Thank you and that's pretty , if I say so myself, nifty as it actually has some trade offs and thought in using it.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2016, 02:56 AMCookiezNcreem

Yup good thing you asked that, reminded me. Someone made a bug report thread about it sometime back and I never got around to addressing why it wasnt actually a bug.

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2016, 03:12 AMNemesis10192

Hang on so it doesn't actually buff vet 3 rifles offensively? Since through vet 3 they have -20% reload and +30% accuracy anyway, so it just ends up giving them more LoS?

Sounding worse and worse now...

Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2016, 04:18 AMCookiezNcreem

Pretty much.
i'd still use it though. just for the vehicle range buff mainly.

Plus, its not like your squads and tanks are always ALL vet 3. It has its benefits. When you finally shit out your first pershing in a game its gonna be lookin for targets to munch on. Why not make it vet 3 with extended range for 125 munitions to help it and maybe its support vet faster?