new AEC is overpowered

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 05:33 AMpugzii

If you see your against a brit player, just play to expect an AEC and get a PaK at ASAP and dont skip tech.. its pretty simple. If he over extends his AEC faust and its dead, bye bye wasted fuel and longer wait till cromwell. This is the same as how brits have to rush AT gun to counter 7 min Luchs.

It's not like brits will have much map control anyway, if they rush AEC the most their army will be is 2 IS and an Vickers... don't expect them to do much

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 06:04 AMDoomlord52

AEC can come out at around 6:00 (with equal map control), on large maps, you physically can't have a PAK out on time, and in a decent position. BEST case, it's just rolled onto the map when the AEC starts wrecking everything. Also, you'd be amazed how well 2 squads and a vickers can do on some of the narrow maps (Rails and Metal, Kharkov, even ecliptic if they start south. And that's if both go AEC, usually only 1 of them rushes it, the other goes inf heavy. Remember that the brit infantry cover bonus is a pretty hefty force multiplier.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2016, 20:13 PMStafkeh

Rank 1 player with almost Axis games only

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 07:53 AM__deleted__

If AC overperforms then stuart , luchs , t70 overperforms too and if ostheer is unabl to win against brist because of AC then it wont be able to win against Russian and USA vehicle rush too and thust it will be worst faction with smallest winrate.

But it isnt ....

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 07:53 AM__deleted__

If AC overperforms then stuart , luchs , t70 overperforms too and if ostheer is unabl to win against brist because of AC then it wont be able to win against Russian and USA vehicle rush too and thust it will be worst faction with smallest winrate.

But it isnt ....

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 08:15 AMPancake Areolas

Its the best light tank and comes out at the same time if not sooner. 400 hp + smoke and counter light vehicles and infantry, t70, and stuart come later and are worse, and luchs can't even fight armor better than a 222 can. Brits dont even have worst winrate, ostheer does. The 222 needs buffs because they are the only faction that can't rely on light vehicles and have to rely solely on pak40s.

The only reliable counter for an AEC is a teller mine or medium tanks. Shrecks and racketens will just kinda scare it away and even then its coming way too early. Needs to be delayed by atleast a minute more. Drop mp by like 80 and increase fuel and research time.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 08:22 AMDoomlord52

The problem isn't the unit's stats; it's the time it arrives at. The others you mentioned (Except probably the luchs) show up at a time when a shrek squad/pak are already on the map - the AEC shows up a fair bit before that.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 08:34 AM__deleted__

How many times i need to tell everyone i run tests.

Each of lights (except 222 cause it is vehicle counter not light tank) have a mission - to kill one coscript squad.

I run this test 10 times. Each time t70 or luch killed squad in shortest time (luchs have continous damage while t70 was more rng dependant , but all in all it was best [t70])

Slightly after them or lot of time after them (once again , if it hits or no) stuart killed cons and last one every time was AC

What does it mean ? AC is worst in AI capabilities from all lights.

Also keep in mind that it have low armor and die to luchs if both of are on rear armor. And also it is most mp hungry and mp is winning factor mid game not fuel.



I think it is fine , players only need to realise it is not crapcar that can be near your pio and you can freely cap and then softretreat.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2016, 20:13 PMStafkeh

Rank 1 player with almost Axis games only

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 11:03 AMBananenheld

Just asking: why dont you use real ingame matchups? An aec will never face a conscript squad, rather do the test with aec vs. Gren and luchs vs conscript etc..

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 11:03 AMBananenheld

Just asking: why dont you use real ingame matchups? An aec will never face a conscript squad, rather do the test with aec vs. Gren and luchs vs conscript etc..

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 12:13 PMKatitof

Wold it make it a world of difference for you if it was osttruppen or pfussiliers then?

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 08:45 AMPancake Areolas

I dont agree that Going AEC reduces field presence. The AEC is only threatened by a pak40 and has an advantage over ever other ostheer unit. Plus its mobile. If going AEC reduces field presence, then why even go it?

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 16:24 PMSpinflight

I'm a noob but...

Surely the far more powerful Valentine appears at the same time or sooner?

Never seen anyone complain about it...

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2016, 14:45 PMBananenheld

It doenst make any difference to me since I ddidnt play for a long time. Im just curious about stats and aec vs conscript is not interesting for me since it wont ever happen ingame. Oh and i thought it's about mainline infantry and not call in infantry.