T70 needs IMMEDIATE NERF

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2013, 20:30 PMCrells

the flamer half track does more damage than a CE flamer with the same reload time and yet people cry all hte way home about how much damage the m3 does, how it kills retreating squads, this is after the nerf.

High level play = TFN semi finals and finals, please tell me which match the T70 was fucking everything up? all i can remember is the M3 play very few players at hte top end used the t70

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2013, 19:56 PMPorygon

And flamer HT was actually nerfed, idiot

Why don't you just play some games in high level, giving replays showing how your professional T70s hunting with zero causality, fail and realize how stupid and retarded you are?

I had shown mine, just direct head on fucking up and anninating Pak, MG42, Grens, screck squad TOGETHER with only 2 T70s, and IT IS FUCKING EASY

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2013, 04:29 AMMr.Hyde

Your the fucking idiot! You think i don't know the flame halftrack was nerfed? I do you dumbass! Your the cry baby not me, remember that! Where are your replays of the T70 owning you? Your started the thread shouldn't you have the more reliable sources than me? Better yet your first post points out that the T70 kills a squad in one hit, where is the replay? Im only someone that doesn't agree with you, yet you are the one with the "VALID POINT." Your full of shit porygon! Your a lair, and someone that doesn't have a grasp on the game, Why should I listen to you!? Come up with something of meaning, other than "ohhh this is op we should nerf it because it doesn't fit into my play style."

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2013, 22:59 PMhubewa

a) You do not need to build/tech both T1 and T2 as Soviets
b) All soviet tanks are cheap on fuel (compared to Ost, even the Ostwind is 115 fuel)
c) T-34 has Ram

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2013, 05:21 AMfranko

T34 have only ram (stupid skill) and can kill some infantry.
You dont build T1 and T2 because you dont have enought time - second building from first tiers is obsole in mid-late game because of no AT-T1 or useless maxims,mortars vs tanks -T2) So your only option is T3 - no proper AT again or T4 - Su85.
All soviet tanks are cheap... we we have two: T34 which sux and SU85 (115fuel) -
and t70 that is more armored car than tank, and doctrinial tanks are more expensive in fuel that most german tanks and in same time worse...
T70 on T2 will be OP on T3 it have purpose and soon many hard counters.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2013, 08:09 AMNullist

T70 is considerably too anti-infantey capable due to:
-Accuracy
-AoE
-Crush
-Speed
-Extreme low cost

PaKs are shit, but that is another topic.

In conjunction with AI decrease on T70, Shreks need a return to single purchase to return Ost viability vs Early Light Tanks, of which Ost has no equivalent.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2013, 08:22 AMNullist

Those red marked entries are indeed powerful elements of the T70, but ones I think fit in with its Light Tank concept and its timing.

The T70 sits, in assymetric design, at the halfway mark between 222 and PIV, with the T34at the 3/4 mark.

Speed is only a problem in relation to Crush, whereas its cost is only a problem related to its DPS (where the DPS is the problem, not the cost).

If I had my way entirely, Id change the self-repair vet to an AP vet ability, to retain the T70s viability vs Armor which invariably hits the field a few minutes after its arrival. This further supported by Sovs overall better Repair potential vested in the more survivable and combat capable CEs as well as the conscript repair kit doctrine.

Single Shrek upgrade would provide Ost with a much neede soft counter at this timing.
Regardless of that, however, the T70 is simply TOO GOOD at AI, which is something that should and iss, assymetrically, be invested in the SU76.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2013, 09:09 AMfranko

T70 is T3 in same time you have T2 halftrack of fiery death...
when you nerf T70 what role it will have ? scout tank ? who in right mind will build this again after nerf... i dont build it now because you need goodly micro to dont lose it and t34 is useless vs tanks...
First try to play russian and use T70 properly... next post a replay how T70 changed match (vs good german) then we can discuss again.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2013, 09:40 AMNullist

@Crells: Comparing to FHT serves no purpose. Including tier costs into unit costs serves no purpose. A Shrek does not hard counter a T70, it soft counters it.

@Porygon: Its a Light Tank and supposed to be fast. Its speed is fine.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2013, 09:45 AMPorygon

But relatively too fast comparing to other units, maybe Infantry are really too slow in CoH2

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2013, 09:54 AMNullist

Its only 0.2 faster than the T34 and has comparable speed with M3 (considering de/acceleration).

You are wrong. It has same speed as 221, but slower de/acceleration.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2013, 09:58 AMWiFiDi

t70 starts as a t60

t60 was for primarily anti infantry at best carried a 20mm TNSn Cannon (beginning of war it carried a 50 cal.) this would make it a solid infantry killer and could damage light veichles a bit as well.

however if you needed more AT power you could then could buy an up gun to the t70 model which actually had a anti tank gun. the anti infantry capabilities wouldn't be as good but would be able to better handle vehicles and tanks. (not to much.)

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2013, 09:17 AMPorygon

Role? Asking what M8 role?
We want it be something like M8, not speedy armored vet 3 wehr G43 Snipers

http://www.coh2.org/replays/4920/t70-actually-%3E-faghound

That's should be enough