So yeah, let's hear it.
Time to see what people realy think about OKW, in terms of balance. Here is the most simple poll.
So you think OKW currently is:
OKW opinion
15 Dec 2015, 08:05 AM
#1
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BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
15 Dec 2015, 08:13 AM
#2
Posts: 410
Tie all the resource income from 1v1 to 4v4 the same and the game will be fixed.
That's easy. Make the sum of all resources from 4v4 maps like the sum of all resources from 1v1 maps.
At least make a try. I am sure what it makes the game unbalanced is the speed in where we pass from early to late game.
That's easy. Make the sum of all resources from 4v4 maps like the sum of all resources from 1v1 maps.
At least make a try. I am sure what it makes the game unbalanced is the speed in where we pass from early to late game.
15 Dec 2015, 09:02 AM
#3
Posts: 2561
Tie all the resource income from 1v1 to 4v4 the same and the game will be fixed.Won't work because caches still exist. The one or two extra points are irrelevant when chaches can be giving a team +48 fuel per tic.
That's easy. Make the sum of all resources from 4v4 maps like the sum of all resources from 1v1 maps.
At least make a try. I am sure what it makes the game unbalanced is the speed in where we pass from early to late game.
15 Dec 2015, 09:03 AM
#4
Posts: 2742
While true, it'd be better than +48 per player.
Strategic Territory Points Mod:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=604491510
Classic resource points!
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=604491510
Classic resource points!
15 Dec 2015, 09:18 AM
#5
Posts: 2396 | Subs: 1
Tie all the resource income from 1v1 to 4v4 the same and the game will be fixed.
That's easy. Make the sum of all resources from 4v4 maps like the sum of all resources from 1v1 maps.
At least make a try. I am sure what it makes the game unbalanced is the speed in where we pass from early to late game.
True.
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
15 Dec 2015, 09:18 AM
#6
Posts: 1653
I play every game mode nad I voted for 1v1 and 2v2 for balanced and 3v3 and 4v4 OP. The snowball effect is just insane in 3v3+.
15 Dec 2015, 10:10 AM
#7
Posts: 410
Won't work because caches still exist. The one or two extra points are irrelevant when chaches can be giving a team +48 fuel per tic.
That means around 16 caches. 3200 manpower (equivalent to 12 squads or 800 manpower per player). Try that on a balanced game on early-mid and your team will have a disadvantage of 12 squads. I agree that caches can work on late game with no effect in your manpower but that's late game. The real problem is the lack of early-midgame on big maps. If you decide to spam caches in 4v4 the enemy will have a huge advantage and will cap more territory and probably will destroy some of your caches.
I'd be nice to test that.
15 Dec 2015, 10:21 AM
#8
Posts: 334
Or just complete Relic's in-game survey?
15 Dec 2015, 11:05 AM
#9
Posts: 2561
No I'm talking about just 4. Each cache gives +3 to each player. With 4 caches that's +12fuel across the entire team. If they have 4 caches, which isn't uncommon in 4v4, that's +48 fuel added into the game every few seconds. Of course the mode is going is going to be a clusterfuck when entire teams are getting 12 more fuel then they would in an average 1v1.
That means around 16 caches. 3200 manpower (equivalent to 12 squads or 800 manpower per player). Try that on a balanced game on early-mid and your team will have a disadvantage of 12 squads. I agree that caches can work on late game with no effect in your manpower but that's late game. The real problem is the lack of early-midgame on big maps. If you decide to spam caches in 4v4 the enemy will have a huge advantage and will cap more territory and probably will destroy some of your caches.
I'd be nice to test that.
It's crazy that you can boost the resource rate of your entire team for what's essentially the cost of an engineer of one player. Changing the default points won't have any effect while the crazy cache meta is still happening.
It's especially bad for OKW who isn't even supposed to be able to boost their economy in the first place. That weakness is completely erased in teamgames.
15 Dec 2015, 11:16 AM
#10
4 Posts: 474
2v2 OKW being close to balanaced is what I find funny about 3v3/4v4s.
The fuel caches change everything in those game modes, most of the time a team winning or losing in the late game depends on how many fuel points and fuel caches they can secure.
Guess which faction benefits the most right now from fuel caches and is the reason they are unable to build them?
The fuel caches change everything in those game modes, most of the time a team winning or losing in the late game depends on how many fuel points and fuel caches they can secure.
Guess which faction benefits the most right now from fuel caches and is the reason they are unable to build them?
15 Dec 2015, 20:34 PM
#11
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Posts: 551
Sturms and kubel kinda forces allies into early defensive = poor map control
15 Dec 2015, 20:45 PM
#12
Posts: 230
Permanently BannedThe core issues are balancing volks wielding panzershrecks while trying to keep them viable vs other infantry early on.
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