Remove shell shock

Some time ago Relic did good think that they removed shell shock (no gun , no movement , completely paralised tank for like 4 seconds) from tiger ace , stug because it creates bad gameplay (you pursue lone squad with tank , there is stug , he shots stun shell , your tank get crited , cant moe and it is dead ). You need to make zero skill from your side to kill tank (mines need clever planting , faust need baiting , also killing tank withouth engine damage need bait and ambush of 2 paks and mobile tank).

But this ability is still on OSTHEER puma- OKW one have normal turret jam whitch is good ability and allow pumas to backup from stronger tanks or disable its main gun so they can swarm the tank and kill it wihotu much loses , but it does not immobilise tank so opponent still can make counterplay for that (pak nearby , mines planted before , Snade).
It was reverted becuase it offered NONE counterplay except killing all damage sources near stuned tank

I dont think it is fine on unit that cost 70 fuel. I´m all for making it OKW puma aimed shot. Right now this ability is silly because puma can sefspot any medium tank from afar stun it and kill it.

It was OP on StuGs because they have pretty high penetration.

I think it's fine on Pumas because their pen is...pretty bad at long range

It was OP on StuGs because they have pretty high penetration.

I think it's fine on Pumas because their pen is...pretty bad at long range

I dont think this ability is fine from itself.

Paying small amound of ammo for killing tank isnt something I like.

Faust need to close in while this can be fired from where your want.

It was OP on StuGs because they have pretty high penetration.

I think it's fine on Pumas because their pen is...pretty bad at long range

If we talk about TwP, it's enough to penetrate any medium vehicle. From mid range, enough for any "heavy" medium. Close range it only might fail against IS2

PD: TwP is double base pen.

Paying small amound of ammo for killing tank isnt something I like.

TWP instakills tanks? That's new.

If we talk about TwP, it's enough to penetrate any medium vehicle. From mid range, enough for any "heavy" medium. Close range it only might fail against.

PD: TwP is double base pen.

I was talking about the Puma's regular penetration - not TWP.

TWP was OP on StuGs because they could solo tanks by using it. Pumas have low pen and low damage and that's why TWP is fine on them IMO.

I was talking about the Puma's regular penetration - not TWP.

TWP was OP on StuGs because they could solo tanks by using it. Pumas have low pen and low damage and that's why TWP is fine on them IMO.

Ok. I agree up to some point. Wouldn't mind if it work like Aimed shot but i don't think it's as OP as how it was on the Stug.

yeah stunned JT just get instarekt by asian piat blobs needs nerf

Valid point, but I have to say, "you pursue lone squad with tank" is the very definition of being baited.

First scopes now this? What else are we gonna dig up. Some secret nazi wunderwaffe none of know or care about.

Meanwhile grenades from British tanks and Pershing crew shock Axis tanks

First scopes now this? What else are we gonna dig up. Some secret nazi wunderwaffe none of know or care about.

You can use incendiary shot and aimed shot to bypass retreat modifiers

These abilities should all move to a skill shot like the Pershing ability.

These abilities should all move to a skill shot like the Pershing ability.

I personally rather like when TWP targeted a point on the ground rather than changing the weapon to a TWP weapon. Felt like an appropriate drawback to such an potent ability to me.

Next OP thing, hull down.

I don't think it's not fine because the basic penetration on puma main gun is low. Is it 80 at max range?

I don't think it's not fine because the basic penetration on puma main gun is low. Is it 80 at max range?

Yes
http://www.coh2-stats.com/ballistic_weapons/sdkfz_234_puma_kwk39_5cm_mp