150 fuel panzer 4 increase it's penetration.
10 Dec 2015, 21:32 PM
#1
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While the pz4 is now 150 fuel it is the most expensive medium tank, although it's ass gets some hard whooping by a much cheaper Ez8 and T34/85. I suggest to make it's penetration to 150/140/130.
10 Dec 2015, 21:36 PM
#2
Posts: 392
its not he most expencive medium tank in the game.
that title belongs to the panther and the comet.
also OKW P4s are very good vs infantry
there is no reason to buff its performance further
that title belongs to the panther and the comet.
also OKW P4s are very good vs infantry
there is no reason to buff its performance further
10 Dec 2015, 21:37 PM
#3
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The e8 and the 85's are built to counter the p4. Giving it a pen increase doesn't really make sense as we haven't even tested the patch let alone looked at the time it comes out (OKW cheaper tech).
Give it more time to see when these tanks come out
Give it more time to see when these tanks come out
10 Dec 2015, 21:39 PM
#4
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its not he most expencive medium tank in the game.
that title belongs to the panther and the comet.
also OKW P4s are very good vs infantry
there is no reason to buff its performance further
The comet and Panther are technically referred to as medium tanks by the game, but in reality they are more like medium heavies.
Just like comparing a T34/76 "medium" tank to a "medium" Panther when one has much higher armour and a better AT gun.
Also on topic, OKW P4s are fine. They get skirts at vet 0, benefit stupidly from stacking armour bulletins, and have a moderately good gun.
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10 Dec 2015, 21:40 PM
#5
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Sure... As soon as the armor bulletins for Sherman/Panther stack on the Sherman 
10 Dec 2015, 21:42 PM
#6
Posts: 830
Give Ostheer P4 some love. it needs it more and harder than OKW P4.
10 Dec 2015, 21:45 PM
#7
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The comet and Panther are technically referred to as medium tanks by the game, but in reality they are more like medium heavies.
Just like comparing a T34/76 "medium" tank to a "medium" Panther when one has much higher armour and a better AT gun.
Also on topic, OKW P4s are fine. They get skirts at vet 0, benefit stupidly from stacking armour bulletins, and have a moderately good gun.
i view them as late game medium tanks,but medium tanks nonetheless
10 Dec 2015, 21:45 PM
#8
Posts: 230
Permanently BannedOkw p4 has worse penetration than a sherman with AP rounds, and has a gun comparable to the t34/76. 10 more pen lol.
Buff penetration to 135 like it should have. Okw p4 is going to be so cost inefficient lol, just like ost p4.
Buff penetration to 135 like it should have. Okw p4 is going to be so cost inefficient lol, just like ost p4.
10 Dec 2015, 21:51 PM
#9
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The fuel cost for all OKW vehicles that scale into lategame (KT, JT, JP4, P5, P4, Stuka on foot) should have been increased by either 50% and/or raising their pop-cap. KT + JT is ridiculous with just 40 pop (2 heavies, wtf). Double Stuka blows the pudding out of every allied faction (especially soviets who rely on combined arms and yes, i'm aware that a fuel increase for the stuka is stupid for 1v1, hence pop cap increase) while double JP4s nullify any USF armor play (camo still not fixed).
Those changes might soften the OKW supremacy but they will keep OKW on top for a long time because of the "we just nerfed it" logic.
Those changes might soften the OKW supremacy but they will keep OKW on top for a long time because of the "we just nerfed it" logic.
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10 Dec 2015, 22:02 PM
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With increasing the price the tank has to be compared to the T34/85 & Ez8, comparing to them its under performing.
OKW P4:
Cost: 360 mp / 150 Fuel
Penetration: 100 / 110 / 120
Scatter: 6.4
AOE: 2.5
Reload: 5.63
Armour: 234 / 80
Health: 640
T34/85:
Cost: 380 mp / 130 Fuel
Penetration: 120 / 140 / 160
Scatter: 5.0
AOE: 2.5
Reload: 6.28
Armour: 160 / 80
Health: 800
Easy8:
Cost: 380 mp / 140 Fuel
Penetration: 155 / 165 / 200
Scatter: 5.4
AOE: 2.0
Reload: 6.43
Armour: 215 / 95
Health: 720
We see, higher scatter means the gun will miss infantry more often. While the HP means it only sustains 4 shots vs 5 on the t34/85 & ez8. Low penetration means also that it has a hard time penetrating medium tanks (calliopes included). Compared with Armour of the Easy8 there is hardly a difference, especially when you keep in mind the that the Easy8 is considered as the best medium generalist tank in game.
Again it's just stating objective stats and comparing them. OKW P4 costs more, but has worse stats.
Edited: some wrong stats
OKW P4:
Cost: 360 mp / 150 Fuel
Penetration: 100 / 110 / 120
Scatter: 6.4
AOE: 2.5
Reload: 5.63
Armour: 234 / 80
Health: 640
T34/85:
Cost: 380 mp / 130 Fuel
Penetration: 120 / 140 / 160
Scatter: 5.0
AOE: 2.5
Reload: 6.28
Armour: 160 / 80
Health: 800
Easy8:
Cost: 380 mp / 140 Fuel
Penetration: 155 / 165 / 200
Scatter: 5.4
AOE: 2.0
Reload: 6.43
Armour: 215 / 95
Health: 720
We see, higher scatter means the gun will miss infantry more often. While the HP means it only sustains 4 shots vs 5 on the t34/85 & ez8. Low penetration means also that it has a hard time penetrating medium tanks (calliopes included). Compared with Armour of the Easy8 there is hardly a difference, especially when you keep in mind the that the Easy8 is considered as the best medium generalist tank in game.
Again it's just stating objective stats and comparing them. OKW P4 costs more, but has worse stats.
Edited: some wrong stats
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10 Dec 2015, 22:04 PM
#11
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With increasing the price the tank has to be compared to the T34/85 & Ez8, comparing to them its under performing.
OKW P4:
Cost: 150 Fuel
Penetration: 100 / 120 / 130
Scatter: 6.4
AOE: 1.875-0.625
Armour: 234 / 80
Health: 640
T34/85:
Cost: 130 Fuel
Penetration: 120 / 140 / 160
Scatter: 5.0
AOE: 1.875-0.625
Armour: 160 / 80
Health: 800
Easy8:
Cost: 140 Fuel
Penetration: 155 / 165 / 175
Scatter: 5.4
AOE:1.5-0.5
Armour: 215 / 95
Health: 720
please, add mp cost for better comparison.
10 Dec 2015, 22:06 PM
#12
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please, add mp cost for better comparison.
done
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10 Dec 2015, 22:06 PM
#13
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With increasing the price the tank has to be compared to the T34/85 & Ez8, comparing to them its under performing.
OKW P4:
Cost: 360 mp / 150 Fuel
Penetration: 100 / 120 / 130
Scatter: 6.4
AOE: 1.875-0.625
Armour: 234 / 80
Health: 640
T34/85:
Cost: 380 mp / 130 Fuel
Penetration: 120 / 140 / 160
Scatter: 5.0
AOE: 1.875-0.625
Armour: 160 / 80
Health: 800
Easy8:
Cost: 380 mp / 140 Fuel
Penetration: 155 / 165 / 175
Scatter: 5.4
AOE:1.5-0.5
Armour: 215 / 95
Health: 720
We see, higher scatter means the gun will miss infantry more often. While the HP means it only sustains 4 shots vs 5 on the t34/85 & ez8. Low penetration means also that it has a hard time penetrating medium tanks (calliopes included). Compared with Armour of the Easy8 there is hardly a difference, especially when you keep in mind the that the Easy8 is considered as the best medium generalist tank in game.
Again it's just stating objective stats and comparing them. OKW P4 costs more, but has worse stats.
What about Veterancy bonuses though
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10 Dec 2015, 22:10 PM
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delete.
10 Dec 2015, 22:10 PM
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What about Veterancy bonuses though
Veterancy bonuses are not part of the initial fuel cost in any unit in that game. Veterancy is a reward for you for playing good and keeping your units alive. Otherwise you could easily price a vet 5 JP4 at 200 fuel and vet 3 SU85/Jackson at 180 fuel. Also Riflemen perform like elite infantry on vet 3, yet we don't price them over 300 MP.
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10 Dec 2015, 22:15 PM
#16
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i can't compare because they have other weapons like hull mg or puchasable mg.
10 Dec 2015, 22:15 PM
#17
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so you want all mediums to be mirrored? Why does the P4 by law have to be better? By this logic why doesn't the KV2 plaster tanks of its cost?
10 Dec 2015, 22:16 PM
#18
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Personally I would like to see some changes in their build/upgrade structure instead of just pricing up units to slow the OKW progression down.
e.g.
First call truck has to be a healing HQ. Once that is built the next truck can either be the repair truck HQ or flak HQ.
Move the P4 and JP to the repair truck
Move the Luchs back to flak HQ with panther and obers
Once all three have been built KT research unlocks in main HQ, maybe it takes 90 to complete the research and then the KT call-in is unlocked.
Something like this would force the OKW player to choose between getting medium AT mid game or waiting out for heavy at panther.
Right now the flak HQ is a no brainier since you get all three in one.
e.g.
First call truck has to be a healing HQ. Once that is built the next truck can either be the repair truck HQ or flak HQ.
Move the P4 and JP to the repair truck
Move the Luchs back to flak HQ with panther and obers
Once all three have been built KT research unlocks in main HQ, maybe it takes 90 to complete the research and then the KT call-in is unlocked.
Something like this would force the OKW player to choose between getting medium AT mid game or waiting out for heavy at panther.
Right now the flak HQ is a no brainier since you get all three in one.
10 Dec 2015, 22:20 PM
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i can't compare because they have other weapons like hull mg or puchasable mg.
The t34/85 is lacking one that's right, but it's more about the Ez8, which also has access to this upgrade. The Ez8 upgrade costs a bit more (I think 70 vs 50) but does also a bit more damage, but not significant enough to justify the price difference.
Still its about the fuel costs and how the unit performs when it comes out, without any upgrades.
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10 Dec 2015, 22:21 PM
#20
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I found that
easy8 reload is 6.0~ 6.6.
okw p4 reload is 5.3~ 5.7
i think it's important information.
we can compare their speed too later.
easy8 reload is 6.0~ 6.6.
okw p4 reload is 5.3~ 5.7
i think it's important information.
we can compare their speed too later.
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