MG42, Bren, & M1911 LMG, & DP-28 comparison?
27 Sep 2015, 04:49 AM
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Out of curiosity, how do they compare to one another? Which one edges out dps or beats one another at others? Specifically Bren as they're the new kid on the block and they do a job well done but how does if fare against the MG42? DP - 28 as I have no idea how effective these are.
27 Sep 2015, 04:50 AM
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My place in the ladder is irrelevant as long as I am matched with opponents of the same rank and play all factions (balance at place 1000+ is no different from balance in top 100 if we consider what I said before the brakets) so I don't care about your assertion which is also irrelevant.
27 Sep 2015, 05:00 AM
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http://www.coh2-stats.com/small_arms
you may have noticed that the british weapons aren't listed there, which OP was asking about.
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27 Sep 2015, 05:17 AM
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you may have noticed that the british weapons aren't listed there, which OP was asking about.
My bad, I thought they were added now.
Here are the stats for the tommy bren lmg:
5 damage
Cooldown max/min 2/1,5 seconds
Cooldown multiplier far/mid/near 1/0,875/0,75
Burst max/min 2/1,5 seconds
Burst duration far mid near 1,5/1,25/0,75
RoF 6 shots per burst second
RoF multiplier far/mid/near 1,25/1,125/0,75
Accuracy far/mid/near 0,46/0,518/0,575
Distance near/mid/far 0/28/35 units
Reload max/min 9/8 seconds
7 bursts before reloading
Fire aim time max/min 0,5/0,25 seconds
fire aim multiplier far/mid/near 1/0,875/0,75
ready aim time max/min 1/0,375 seconds
I have no idea what formula is being used on the site to find out dps, so I'll leave this here
A lot of RNG too with the max/min timers
My place in the ladder is irrelevant as long as I am matched with opponents of the same rank and play all factions (balance at place 1000+ is no different from balance in top 100 if we consider what I said before the brakets) so I don't care about your assertion which is also irrelevant.
27 Sep 2015, 06:00 AM
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Commando Bren >= MG42 = M1919 = Vickers K >= Sapper Bren > IS Bren > DP-28
27 Sep 2015, 06:58 AM
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Commando Bren >= MG42 = M1919 = Vickers K >= Sapper Bren > IS Bren > DP-28
What? the vicker k is nearly identical to the tommies bren, except for a small difference in ready aim time.
27 Sep 2015, 07:17 AM
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What, the vicker k is nearly identical to the tommies bren, except for a small difference in ready aim time.
Tommies Bren varies wildly in performance based on cover, also the Sapper Bren in general is just better. My list isn't based on just stats but performance consistency. The DP-28 is only in last place because of stats, but it's also the cheapest LMG in the game at only 75 muni for 2.
27 Sep 2015, 07:59 AM
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Tommies Bren varies wildly in performance based on cover, also the Sapper Bren in general is just better. My list isn't based on just stats but performance consistency.
Heavy sapper isn't just the only place where the vicker k is used. The same vicker k is also used for the truck drop and I'm sure people have that in mind when asking about the vicker k.
even by "performance consistency" , the vicker k is not a superior gun to the sapper bren. The sapper bren is a superior gun to both the vicker k and the tommies bren.
it should be sapper bren > vicker k >= bren
27 Sep 2015, 08:51 AM
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27 Sep 2015, 09:06 AM
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I find amusing how IS sucks at everything. Even upgrading them with brens over sappers is worthless.
Worst freaking infantry in entire game. Truly, their only usage is their medkit. But even then its 8 popcap medics, so they are horribly cost inefficient even at healing.
By any chance, does anybody knows how their healing scales with squad members number? Can i just leave 1 guy alive in IS and use it solely for healing with full effect to dispose from 6 of 8 useless popcap?
Worst freaking infantry in entire game. Truly, their only usage is their medkit. But even then its 8 popcap medics, so they are horribly cost inefficient even at healing.
By any chance, does anybody knows how their healing scales with squad members number? Can i just leave 1 guy alive in IS and use it solely for healing with full effect to dispose from 6 of 8 useless popcap?
27 Sep 2015, 11:45 AM
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I find amusing how IS sucks at everything. Even upgrading them with brens over sappers is worthless.
Worst freaking infantry in entire game. Truly, their only usage is their medkit. But even then its 8 popcap medics, so they are horribly cost inefficient even at healing.
By any chance, does anybody knows how their healing scales with squad members number? Can i just leave 1 guy alive in IS and use it solely for healing with full effect to dispose from 6 of 8 useless popcap?
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27 Sep 2015, 20:37 PM
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Magnificence of being wiped by 1 grenade and 1 mortar shell?
No thx, i will stick to sappers, snipers, vickers and commandos, this way it possible to have some manpower.
No thx, i will stick to sappers, snipers, vickers and commandos, this way it possible to have some manpower.
27 Sep 2015, 20:39 PM
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Magnificence of being wiped by 1 grenade and 1 mortar shell?
No thx, i will stick to sappers, snipers, vickers and commandos, this way it possible to have some manpower.
you might as well skip grens as ostheer with the logic of yours
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27 Sep 2015, 20:39 PM
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Grens are great unit. Great grenades, great wiping capability, great weapons upgrades, great cost efficiency.
IS are not.
IS are not.
27 Sep 2015, 21:39 PM
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Grens are great unit. Great grenades, great wiping capability, great weapons upgrades, great cost efficiency.
IS are not.
Meh, I watched Vet 3 IS with 2 Bren vs Vet 3 Obersoldaten with MG 34 fighting cover-to-cover at long range, both heavy cover. The fight was about actually equal until one of the Brens died and the DPS halved, since Obers DPS is reliant on only one MG and not 2. IS had to retreat then with one man, while one man Ober also ended up retreating.
Vet 3 IS being able to stick it out with Vet 3 Obersoldaten is pretty damn good if you ask me.
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27 Sep 2015, 21:50 PM
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Meh, I watched Vet 3 IS with 2 Bren vs Vet 3 Obersoldaten with MG 34 fighting cover-to-cover at long range, both heavy cover. The fight was about actually equal until one of the Brens died and the DPS halved, since Obers DPS is reliant on only one MG and not 2. IS had to retreat then with one man, while one man Ober also ended up retreating.
Vet 3 IS being able to stick it out with Vet 3 Obersoldaten is pretty damn good if you ask me.
Heavy engies can do the same while costing less to buy and reinforce, and occupy less popcap plus have significantly more utility in form of repairs. You only proving my point.
27 Sep 2015, 22:15 PM
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That is surprising Sappers Bren does better than the IS Bren. I suppose this is balanced out by IS having rifles further increasing their long range dps while Sappers only have one weapon (bren) being effective at mid to long range. Or does the Sappers bren do that much dps? On another note: how good is the Commando bren?
27 Sep 2015, 22:32 PM
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Heavy engies can do the same while costing less to buy and reinforce, and occupy less popcap plus have significantly more utility in form of repairs. You only proving my point.
What point? That Heavy Engineers are over-performing?
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27 Sep 2015, 22:35 PM
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That IS are terrible infantry, basically nothing more than overpriced ostruppen.
Yeah, it possible to pour 120muni into IS to make them super good in cover. But, if you play against decent opponents, they will never give you chance to stay in cover and utilize that firepower with various indirect fire, grenades and straight up blobbing. So useless out of cover unit becomes slightly less useless out of cover unit with 120 muni spent on it. Great.
Meanwhile it possible to upgrade sappers with brens to make them perform same job cost efficiently, or use snipers and commandos to save ammunition for mines and arty strikes. And actually have manpower until sniper is lost by a mistake.
What a hard choice to make.
Yeah, it possible to pour 120muni into IS to make them super good in cover. But, if you play against decent opponents, they will never give you chance to stay in cover and utilize that firepower with various indirect fire, grenades and straight up blobbing. So useless out of cover unit becomes slightly less useless out of cover unit with 120 muni spent on it. Great.
Meanwhile it possible to upgrade sappers with brens to make them perform same job cost efficiently, or use snipers and commandos to save ammunition for mines and arty strikes. And actually have manpower until sniper is lost by a mistake.
What a hard choice to make.
27 Sep 2015, 22:51 PM
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That IS are terrible infantry, basically nothing more than overpriced ostruppen.
Could you elaborate more on why IS are bad? They can beat Grenadiers easily in buildings, cover, or the defense but they do perform poorly out of it. Grenadiers advantage I suppose of always being effective.
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