Enough about the brits SU-76 STILL OP FOR COST

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2015, 18:09 PMDAZ187

leave the su76 alone. it was useless for such a long time. its time to shine is now

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2015, 06:03 AMRasputin

I agree. While I am happy to see the SU76 finally being useful after 2 years or so, its a bit over the top at the moment. Fast as hell, free barrage, same pen as SU85 and very similar reload time.

The way it is right now its an SU85 that can clear out fortified positions and paks(especially cause the barrage seems to outrange paks) and wipe the occasional squad if you looked away for a moment to micro somewhere else.

While the free barrage still makes me cringe(no ability in this game should be free) it is still somewhat ok. Just make it like 5 or 10 munitions. Still cheaper than the pak barrage that does exactly the same thing for 60(?) munitions and still very spammable. Dont see the problem with it and SU need a munition sink anyway, at least when theyre not spamming guards and 10 fire barrages.

Biggest problem, however, is how similar the unit is to the SU85. The biggest 2 differences are health and armour. While health can be an issue if youre not careful and constantly babysit your su76, its not too much of an issue since the unit outranges pretty much anything its supposed to counter. So proper micro will keep the unit out of harms way, making health mostly meaningless, unless youre dealing with sneaky shreck blobs. And armour, well. Does it matter at this point? A panther will flat out 100% pen both an SU76 and SU85 and while the P4 doesnt get 100% on the frontal armour of an SU85, it still does the job reliably(besides, why engage a tank destroyer from the front when you got a turret yourself...).

So to me, as someone who rarely touches SU, it wouldnt make any sense to tech up and replace the 76 by the 85. 76 is cheaper and the only differences between the units are negligible when it comes down to it.

I will go in line with what most ppl have said, and vote for a decrease in pen, making it reliably pen a p4 and below and having issues with the frontal armour of heavies and panthers. 180 pen should be suffient. That way it can 100% pen a a p4 but will have a 60% chance or so for the panther, sort of forcing your hand to upgrade to the 85, unless you already got tons of zis supporting your 76 or you got the shit mined out of the map. Oh and Id also like to see the aforementioned price on the barrage ability. Doesnt have to be huge and 10 muni seems negligible compared to the 60 of the zis, when both abilities are essentially doing the same thing and the 76 can bail within seconds, unlike a zis.