17 pounder vs Pak43
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17 pounder
-Cant shoot through everything without special ability, which costs 90 munitions..
-Can spot for itself with flare
-Garrison bonus
-Brace
Pak43
-Shoots through everything all the time
-Crew can be sniped
-Cheaper cost
Both of these guns are so easily countered, so what is the point of 17 pounder costing so much? Id like to see 17 pounder cost reduced a lot.
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The PAK40 is locked into doctrines that preclude the use of heavy tanks (barring OKWs KT), whereas the 17Pdr can be paired with a brace of Churchills/Comets and a AVRE/Croc.
The price is hefty, but I think its reasonable as you can have it AND a Churchill at the same time.
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I dont understand, what is the point of 17 pounder? It costs 70 fuel and like 320 manpower? (im too lazy to check , while Pak43 costs only 500 manpower.
17 pounder
-Cant shoot through everything without special ability, which costs 90 munitions..
-Can spot for itself with flare
-Garrison bonus
-Brace
Pak43
-Shoots through everything all the time
-Crew can be sniped
-Cheaper cost
Both of these guns are so easily countered, so what is the point of 17 pounder costing so much? Id like to see 17 pounder cost reduced a lot.
You forgot 20 popcap
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17 pounder
-Brace
You just showed us why 17 pounder is way more durable
+1
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I'm currently ranked below 100 in 1v1 w Brits, and I would never build a 17 pounder. It is almost useless.
Sorry mate but that doesn't say much now
Too early.
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Building a static emplacement which costs 70 fuel and can be countered with two clicks
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Sorry mate but that doesn't say much now
Too early.
Was waiting for a smart ass remark, and there it is. From a Senior Ref too!
Seriously though - it is useless compared to the pak43. Who cares if it can brace, if it can't hit anything. I pwn with a pak43, and the 17 just sucks:
1) Terrible rotation speed
2) Can't see through anything
3) When it does hit it is not impressive
4) Costs a lot for what you get. Resources are better spent some where else.
In 1v1 it is useless. It might be better though in a larger map aimed at a choke point.
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Was waiting for a smart ass remark, and there it is. From a Senior Ref too!
Seriously though - it is useless compared to the pak43. Who cares if it can brace, if it can't hit anything. I pwn with a pak43, and the 17 just sucks:
1) Terrible rotation speed
2) Can't see through anything
3) When it does hit it is not impressive
4) Costs a lot for what you get. Resources are better spent some where else.
In 1v1 it is useless. It might be better though in a larger map aimed at a choke point.
Haha Yes I couldn't leave that one hanging man, sorry
+1 your arguments though.
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If the current Brace nerf goes live then they seriously better reduce the cost/pop cap or we'll never see them I think.
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What's the Pop cap for the PAK 43? I'm fairly certain that the 17 Pounder is 20 which means that it accounts a fifth of your army just to provide AT support at a fixed location. Coupled with the 70 (!) fuel cost I haven't been impressed by it at all.
If the current Brace nerf goes live then they seriously better reduce the cost/pop cap or we'll never see them I think.
+1 Yesterday just burned 1 away with my MHT within 2 barrages and it was in brace Kappa
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See, as Ost or OKW, you have to chose a doctrine just to build a PaK40, which means you will lose MHT which is a big deal for Ost, and the OKW commander is also meh. On the other hand, PaK is easily kited, both doctrinal and non-doctrinal (Doctrinal Arty or just get an IS close). This is more important in smaller game modes (thus smaller maps).
I don't own Brits (will not buy it for like a month or two) and I've only faced it so keep that in mind. But I think 17pndr is good in open maps, specially if you build a mortar near it. It is situational, but it's always in your arsenal.
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Making it too cheap could make it a bit OP in team games but certainly a popcap reduction would be in order.
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Why? Because I can put it behind shot blockers so enemy wont see it until its too late.
First impact is very important. Pak43 wont be revealed by advancing infantry, since its hidden while 17 pounder will be.
Because of this first impact I was able once to surprise and knock out IS2 in 9 secs
Still pounder has better survability but it costs so much it should be damn hard to kill.
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