tofu :- Pheenyx;USFMain86;Steel;rush;Fearless Stalker;tanju

Jump back to quoted post1 Aug 2015, 07:04 AMtofu

To answer your question about 222,I'll explain my "map control" strategy a bit.

This tactics consists of three simple principles.

1.Attack is easier than defense.
2.Vehicles are faster than AT guns.
3.Larger amounts of units gain a victory.

The same as other RTS games,Company of Heroes 2 become easier when you attack and more difficult when you defend.This is because you can attack at any point you want to,but can't defend all points you want to.So,if you are able to search weak points,your attack will end in massive victory.

To search weakness,recon units are highly recommended.This units tend to be light vehicles like 222 "SCOUT" car.these units are needed to move faster than infantry because they are often needed to run away from enemy infantry and because they have to move around the map to get enemy's movements.

When you find enemy's weak point,just attack there with larger amount of units than the opponent which defends its position.
I said "infantry-kill tanks" are recommended before,and this is becase if you have it,you don't need to wait other units to attack.Furthermore,Multi purpose unit of recon and infantry-kill play
s ideal role.It can shift its role from search to destroy without any timelag.

If this strategy works well,your opponent must stick together their units.(if not,he will lost unit one by one.)And that means you can get map control.Except for enemy's blobbing spot,you capture all territories and thus your income will greater.

From this point of view,Company of Heroes 2 is a game of taking map control.So,fastest 222 is recommended to get map control and fastest M5 is also recommended to take (back) map control.

How about Puma? I think Puma is designed to kill map control unit such as M5 and T-70.Although Puma itself can't take map control,it prevent M5/T-70 from taking map control.
And if you have 222 with Puma,this tactics will works a bit again.
After all,Combined arms are important especially in Axis.


So,as for second replay,you know when you should get T3 now.And I was surprised to see your conscripts played well.Now you know aggresive attack will take map control,too.This is because your opponent tend to use all its units to defend from your successive strikes.
In fact,sometimes you will see you don't need M3/M5/T-70 to get map control.Marshal of Soviet Union knows oorah conscript squads meet two-thirds of principles above.

At last,the timing of getting hospital is a good question.If you wanto to get map control with your conscripts,it should be after your taking map control.(generally,you can make health after deploying 4 or 5 conscript squads.)
And if you build T2 it's more likely to be late.One maxim (and sometimes one motar) should be faster than health at least.

Jump back to quoted post1 Aug 2015, 13:58 PMsteel

Thanks. I just tried out your tips in a 2v2 with my AT partner as Soviet and it really helped a lot. The game feels way easier since I play with a different mindset regarding the light vehicles. I'll try to play more matches as soon as I can.

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Jump back to quoted post3 Aug 2015, 17:43 PMUSFMain86

Got my next replay up if i can get help posting it again.Tofu's first game comment has really helpd me allready.focusing on bar rifle blob and going for targets of opportunity with my stuart instead of running it into combat immediately without vision as soon as i get it.

• Using "attack move" is one solution for prevention unit loss.
  If you use right clik to move somewhere,your units WILL move there even if KingTiger is nearby.
  But when you use "attack move", your units stop at the edge of their maximan range from KingTiger so your units are less likely to die.
  *I think you can use a hotkey to use "attack move".It will save your time than pressing it by mouse.
  
  
• Moving your unit from cover to cover is another good solution.
  As you know,units in garrison receive less damage.So it's less like to die even if your patrol is late.Moving to shortest garrison is recommended to reduce danger.
  *Combined above two tips will help you more.

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• Grenadier - Grenadier - Grenadier - Grenadier - MG42 - Mortar(if necessary) - T2 - Pak - Pak
  

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2015, 05:28 AMsteel

So a mortar would help me more than a panzergrenadier. I will keep that in mind for my next games. I suppose against heavy T2, the 222 would be driving around looking for MGs because the AT guns would just kill them. How good is the Command Tank? I haven't really used it myself.

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2015, 12:35 PMrush

1)Steam ID 76561198130192725

2)never really played any fps games,only casually ,ive played many rpgs though, 500 hours in skyrim .As for rts games ive played AoE red alert 2 and c&c generals and a couple of others more.

3)i use hotkeys for everything , i rarely click on abilities and use control groups for micro intensive units such as snipers at guns and pios/engies.

4)I play about 3-4 hours a day , i spend most of this time watching live games and not actually playing.

5)i'd like to learn to play all factions, my main focus is on 1vs 1 though.

6)i think my main problem is knowing when to be aggressive and when to take it easy.

7)my goal for this program is getting in top 200 for all factions XD

I dont have any replays of myself atm but i will upload one when i play.

Thanks for the late approval.

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2015, 15:27 PMtofu

OK,I add you on steam so please recieve it.
Using hotkeys give an advantage of your micromanagement.It surely help you
And I'm surprised you are keen in spectating.That will help you,too.

In fact,spectating games give you imagination about anything;I mean build order,counter unit,flow of the game,meta,anything.

You said you are in trouble over the timing of attack and defense,but you can copy any top10 players who you watch on livegames.

Let's imagine your favorite player playing instead of you,and please give me replay of that game

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2015, 18:23 PMrush

i have 1300 hours in game with at least 700 hours of watching games XD (i also have all steam achievements for coh2 so that took a long tie as well), i have learned a lot especially build orders and mine placement positions from replays but almost all top players can adapt according to each game , i cant do that so i try and focus more on a generalist build that can counter any faction on any map.
one thing i also suck at is anticipating my opponent's moves , i see players anticipating retreat pathes mine placements and build orders all the time.
My favorite player is BartonPL, but i find his style super hard to copy and no one else can copy him.
you can find replays of Barton in here http://www.coh2.org/user/233/bartonpl#here i only watch 1v1s though.
EDIT: i found one of my replays and uploaded it http://www.coh2.org/replay/38088/training-replay-n1

• Grenadiers... shoot at the long range with green/yellow cover.LMG is also recommended.
  
• MG... set behind grenadier squads,and shoot enemy's frontline to suppress them.
  
• Pak... go with grenadiers squads,and attack enemy's vehicles if they are there.
  
• Mortar... set behind MG,and shoot enemy's weapon teams such as MG.

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2015, 08:33 AMrush

http://www.coh2.org/replay/38095/training-replay-n2

• Grenadier spam can deal with more various situations than making MG at first.
  I think making 4 Grenadier squads before MG is better than making MG before first Grenadier.
  Two Grenadier squads can keep away from Conscript squad and 3 Grenadier squads can force Conscript with green cover out,and flank maxim.4 Grenadier squads can smash Conscripts blob.
  
  On the other hand,MG may supress Conscripts,but it may also be flanked by another Conscripts,supressed by maxim,shot by mortar.
  
  
• You should watch your mortar carefully if you want to use it effectively.
  Mortar is much depend on RNG,this means the more you shoot,the more you get a chance to hit.
  So,you have to avoid retreating.It should be covered by MG.
  

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2015, 22:04 PMrush

http://www.coh2.org/replay/38273/loss-as-usf-vs-a-noob
i lost vs a player who only knows to move his entire army together, he does not know what the word flank means he just kept spamming paks.

Jump back to quoted post12 Aug 2015, 08:04 AMtofu

Before adding some comments,I have to say that you don't need to insult your opponents,especially when you lost.

Regarding your enemy as an noob is an easy way to cloud the reson you lose,but it's totally meaningless in 1v1.People lose because they are worse than their opponents,not because their enemyies are full-meta noob using blob tactics.

I don't intend to harm you,but I hope you focus on winning rather than express your oppoents.
I have good hope that you will better so please face yourself.It's an essential skill to survive .

And I can't understand why you dropped the game.You still had possibility of victory so this mean you may miss one victory.Never surrender even though you feel yourself defeated.You can surrender only if there is no possibility of miracles.
(Please note you can be better and that's why I mentioned above.)

OK,then some suggestions are below.

Overall,your tactics was good.I think fastest Stuart was a brilliant.And your grenade upgrade was another nice one though it was a bit late.In fact,you are almost winning.

The only one disappointing thing was your army was defeated one by one.You move your Sherman to enemy territory,and then move your riflemen squads to enemy territory,and then... this won't work at all.

If you move them together at the same time,it will work well because your army was better than its counterpart.You may think it's difficult to operate all of your units at the same time,but if so,you can stick them together.It's worse than flanking but it's better than leave units at the rear.
Another suggestion is that you can upgrade bazooka to fight against StugE(and G).

FYI,I leave some video at my Twitch channel.(http://www.twitch.tv/tofu_jp)
This stream was for tests and I didn't speak in English, but it might help you.