Soviet T3 need cost increase or Ost T3 cost reduction!

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2015, 15:58 PMG4bb4_G4nd4lf

Uhm, no. Soviet players just called in Guards

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2015, 16:46 PMTatatala

You can't simply decrease the cost of Ost T3, with the units it has available in it.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2015, 16:46 PMTatatala

You can't simply decrease the cost of Ost T3, with the units it has available in it. A big design decision of the patch was to increase light vehicle play.

At least with a Puma, or AT half track, the Ost player has the choice to stick it out with a PaK or go Puma with a delayed T3.

I kind of like Comm_Ash's #2 option though, or make the quad mount a little like the USF one (that Ost has been dealing with since forever). That would make it at least counterable.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2015, 16:02 PMCorsin

Well i guess ill put the numbers up in here too...

(In BLUE are the costs to unlock their entire tech tree, and in GREEN, are the costs to rush for their LAST tier.)

SOV (Start with 50 Fuel)
40
80
90
50

260 - 210

Wehr (Start with 20 Fuel)
40
45
50
20
75
80

310 (Cannot realistically skip any tier buildings in a close game).

OKW (start with 40 fuel)
40
40
80

160+33.3% = 210 160


USF (Start with 15 Fuel)
50
60
120

230 - 170

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2015, 16:55 PMOmega_Warrior

Have you tried going for 2 222s yet? They should be able to handle a quad easily.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2015, 16:56 PMIron Emperor

The dps of the quad pushes even 2x 222s back

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2015, 16:56 PMcomm_ash

You have already been told why this particular calculation is misleading. The correct comparison would be to compare Ostheer T3, USF T3, and Soviet T4. This is because Ostheer T4 gives you access to heavy armor while Ostheer T3 gives you access to mediums.

The cost to get mediums as Ostheer (T3) is:

40 + 20 + 45 + 75 = 180 fu

This value is very much in line with the time it takes to acquire other factions' medium tier. 10 slower than USF, 30 faster than Soviets.

Comparing T4 to Allied factions top tier, is comparing the time it takes to tech to a Panther to the time it takes to get a Sherman.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2015, 16:55 PMOmega_Warrior

Have you tried going for 2 222s yet? They should be able to handle a quad easily.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2015, 17:12 PMEmporer Palpatine

But why is Ostheer still the most expensive nation teching wise? Why do all the nations get a starting fuel that covers their first building (USF get it for free as well) apart from Ostheer?

Why in godsname did they increase Ostheer teching even further? It makes no sense..

After all the positive changes, I just don't get this one.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2015, 17:18 PMcomm_ash

Ostheer starting fuel covers the cost of T1.

And USF starts with 15 fu, while LT tier costs 50. (unless you are talking about USF T0)

They increased Ostheer T3 cost because they pushed back the tech cost of all medium armor tiers. Look up 7 posts to see the correct comparison. (#28)

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2015, 17:22 PMEmporer Palpatine

You mean the post that explains that ostheer start with 20 fuel and their first building costs 40? Or am I seeing something different here?

Ostheer still has most expensive teching. And yes was talking about USF t0 (which I see as t1)

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2015, 17:28 PMQueenRatchet123

Whats with all the fuss?

UsF AA HT always came early and has essentially the same effect as the m5. (if we ignore reinforcement)

Counter the m5 the same way you have countered the m15 for a year.