Remodeling Soviet army
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HQ
Combat Enineers
- Cost changed to 180 MP
- ROKS-3 upgrade increase to 80 MU
- new possible upgrade - PPsh - upgrade all squad members with PPsh - cost 50MU, disables all other upgrades
- Demo cost changed to 60 MU
- Can construct Sandbags positions, Tanktraps, Emplacements (talk about emplacements, this thing would be like an empty building in which units could get in - mortars, paks, infantry [no MG's], cost: 50-100MP)
- Barbed wire construction time reduce (4 seconds each when all engineers are building)
Conscripts
- cost changed to 260 MP
- Squad members Increased to 8
- only 5 out of 8 squad members are equipped with weapon
- Molotovs are now thrown faster
- Group Zeal - passive ability, increases all other conscripts fighting abilities when squads are close to each other
- Oorah! Ability is now free
Upgrades at HQ
- Weapon reserves - Global Upgrade, equip all consripts with additional 3 rifles so all members are carrying weapon, cost: 300MP 50Fuel
- Conscripts combat package - contains Molotovs and AT nades, cost: 250MP 40Fuel
- Barbed wire cutters - all engineers now have barbed wire cutters, are now able to cut every wires, cost: 100MP 20Feul
T1
Shock Troops
- Removed as a doctrinal unit, it's build now in T1
- Cost changed to 300MP
- New ability - Sprint later Fire-up - makes your squad sprint for a short time, Fire-up also increases resistance against suppression and when activated it removes suppression from squad, cost: free
- grenade cost reduced to 30MU
M3 Halftruck
- cost changed to 120MP and 20Fuel
- it now requires other Tier building to be build (T2, T3 or T4)
- Both guns must have reduced damage
Soviet Sniper Team
- read other Topic I've made
Possible upgrades in T1
- For the Motherland - Global upgrade, Increases Shock Troops members to 7, this 7th member will hold red flag (he will not be equipped with weapon), increases armor, damage, accuracy, replaces Sprint with Fire-up ability, cost: 150MP 30Fuel
T2
Maxim MG
- Squad members reduced to 4
- Maxim MG now deal more damage to enemy infantry
- cost changed to 220MP
- Reduce angle at which it shoots in building
Mortar team
- Squad members reduced to 4
- Cost changed to 260MP
Guards
- cost changed to 300MP
- comes already equipped with 2 PTRS, can be upgrades with 2 DP-28 and 2 SVT-40 (50MU for both upgrades)
- all weapon have significantly reduced drop rate, SVT-40 can't be dropped
- Grenade cost changed to 35 MU (i assume it's better than Shock troops nade? if now, or when both squads use same nade so cost changed to 30MU)
ZiS-3 AT
- Graphic changes, make it less toy gun (gun should be longer)
- cost changed to 310MP
- Squad members reduced to 4
- Light artillery barrage cost changed to 30MU
- Increase damage from main gun
T3
T-70
- increase it's accuracy to enemy infantry
- increase damage
- make it faster
- cost changed to 240MP and 50Fuel
T34/76
- cost changed to 300MP and 75 Fuel
- remove Ram ability, instead of it, it can use Overdrive ability (for free or for 25MU)
- Infantry can now sit on T-34 armor, max 8 man sitting, one spot available, infantry sitting on T-34 would receive more damage from enemy units
- LoS should be decreased
- after researching "T34 ZiS-S-53 85 mm gun" this tank can be upgraded with T34/85 gun at the cost of 70MU and increases LoS
SU-76M
- Moved from T4 to T3
- Cost changed to 280MP and 50 Fuel
- Penetration and damage is the same as ZiS-3 AT gun
M5 Halftruck
- cost changed to 150MP and 30 Fuel
- Quad upgrade cost changed to 80MU
T34/85
- Available in T3 as a new unit (does not replace T34/76) after researching "T34 ZiS-S-53 85 mm gun)
- Stats match T34/76 and has increased LoS
- T34/85 gun has increased penetration, accuracy and damage to enemy tanks but have reduced accuracy to enemy infantry and slightly increased reload (by 1 second)
Possible upgrades in T3
- T34 ZiS-S-53 85 mm gun - enables you got build T34/85 and upgrade already existing T34/76 with ZiS-S-53 85 mm gun - cost 200MP and 60Fuel
T4
SU-85
- cost changed to 360MP and 75Fuel
- this ability that increases visibility is only working when tank is not moving (even can't turn)
- Reload should be slightly increased
KV-1
- cost: 440MP and 100 Fuel
- second greatest armor after IS-2 that has very slow turret and is very slow, makes a role of KT in CoH1
- has the same penetration and damage as the T34/76
Katiusza
- cost changed to 340MP and 75 Fuel
- fires all rockets at once (not 3 rockets in 4 or 5 series)
Mechanics
- new unit, 4 man squad, none is equipped (useless in combat because they can't fire and pick up weapons)
- they have advanced repair kits that one Mechanic squad match 2.5 Engineer squads repairing
- they can supervise buildings reducing build time of only tanks and AT guns
- they gain veterancy by repairing things, veterancy lvl's are increasing repairing rate, and reduce damage taken while repairing
- each squad member should have 40 HP (all other combat units have 80HP)
Possible upgrade in T4
- Repairing Mechanics - spawns near T4 3 man that will repair tanks and AT guns when they are near them, when killed they will spawn again (20 seconds for each mechanic), they dont get veterancy, you can't control them, have same repair stats as mechanics that can be build, cost: 100MU
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I feel like it'd be really boring to play against T34 + barrage from the SU 76, perhaps simply remove the barrage ability and give it the same range as the AT gun if it doesn't have it already.
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and i agree need TankTrap.
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300mp 50 fuel for 3 more weak rifles on conscripts? Seems more efficient to tech for something different.
Imagine that you have 4 conscripts squads, with this upgrade you got 12 more rifles
maybe cost is too high, Fuel is Okay IMO because Soviet player had to choose between fast T-34 or other tank or upgraded and moar efficient infantry, cost might be lowered to 200MP and 50 Fuel, also note that Soviets are starting with 50 Fuel
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SU-76 barrage isnt that great tho and that tank was used as a tank destroyer and as self-propelled arty
Considering the barrage can decrew a weapons team in one shot I think it's pretty strong. Historical accuracy is nice in some games but CoH is pretty far the other direction already and gameplay > realism.
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That's how I'd like to see Soviet army in a future
HQ
Combat Enineers
- Cost changed to 180 MP
- ROKS-3 upgrade increase to 80 MU
- new possible upgrade - PPsh - upgrade all squad members with PPsh - cost 50MU, disables all other upgrades
- Demo cost changed to 60 MU
- Can construct Sandbags positions, Tanktraps, Emplacements (talk about emplacements, this thing would be like an empty building in which units could get in - mortars, paks, infantry [no MG's], cost: 50-100MP)
- Barbed wire construction time reduce (4 seconds each when all engineers are building)
-Flamers do not need to increased in cost.
-Neither do they need PPsh, unless you mean it is researchable at HQ.
-Game is fine without tank traps
-If PPsh is replaced like this as it should, should replace the doctrine ability with infantry construction (like infantry doc COH1) where conscripts/penals can lay mines.
Conscripts
- cost changed to 260 MP
- Squad members Increased to 8
- only 5 out of 8 squad members are equipped with weapon
- Molotovs are now thrown faster
- Group Zeal - passive ability, increases all other conscripts fighting abilities when squads are close to each other
- Oorah! Ability is now free
-Conscripts as worse than grenadiers esp as the game continues, why should they cost more?
-Bad idea imo, because MG's supress 1 man and your whole squad is supressed, 6 is better.
-Molotovs are fine, just because people can micro away doesn't mean they are bad.
-Maybe
-Oorah! was free in alpha and made to cost munis because you can spam it to cap the map quicker. Leave it as it is.
Upgrades at HQ
- Weapon reserves - Global Upgrade, equip all consripts with additional 3 rifles so all members are carrying weapon, cost: 300MP 50Fuel
- Conscripts combat package - contains Molotovs and AT nades, cost: 250MP 40Fuel
- Barbed wire cutters - all engineers now have barbed wire cutters, are now able to cut every wires, cost: 100MP 20Feul
-No combat package, this is like getting nades and stickies. What if I only want one so I can still fast tech. Don't limit my ability to spend my fuel and take risks.
T1
Shock Troops
- Removed as a doctrinal unit, it's build now in T1
- Cost changed to 300MP
- New ability - Sprint later Fire-up - makes your squad sprint for a short time, Fire-up also increases resistance against suppression and when activated it removes suppression from squad, cost: free
- grenade cost reduced to 30MU
M3 Halftruck
- cost changed to 120MP and 20Fuel
- it now requires other Tier building to be build (T2, T3 or T4)
- Both guns must have reduced damage
Soviet Sniper Team
- read other Topic I've made
Possible upgrades in T1
- For the Motherland - Global upgrade, Increases Shock Troops members to 7, this 7th member will hold red flag (he will not be equipped with weapon), increases armor, damage, accuracy, replaces Sprint with Fire-up ability, cost: 150MP 30Fuel
-Shocks would be OP being available from T1, they already have the best infantry armour values, have non-uprgadeable grenades and can get PPsh on all 6 men.
-They don't need fireup, nor should it be free if they had it.
-Penals are good, just need slight health buff and should be included in abilities like conscript repair.
-Cost increase is fine.
-You are telling me I need to spend 40+50+20=110 fuel so I can make a scout car...
-The gun damage currently is a main counter the silly early flamer halftrack, but since that is likely getting nerfed, I can see why.
-Snipers should not snipe from back nor other weapons be used, flamers, PTRS etc. This then makes the scout car fine, otherwise weapons need accuracy penalties.
-Will read other topic and comment on snipers.
-This upgrade is a nice idea, but shocks are already pretty good as said before, not sure if they need to be made better.
T2
Maxim MG
- Squad members reduced to 4
- Maxim MG now deal more damage to enemy infantry
- cost changed to 220MP
- Reduce angle at which it shoots in building
Mortar team
- Squad members reduced to 4
- Cost changed to 260MP
Guards
- cost changed to 300MP
- comes already equipped with 2 PTRS, can be upgrades with 2 DP-28 and 2 SVT-40 (50MU for both upgrades)
- all weapon have significantly reduced drop rate, SVT-40 can't be dropped
- Grenade cost changed to 35 MU (i assume it's better than Shock troops nade? if now, or when both squads use same nade so cost changed to 30MU)
ZiS-3 AT
- Graphic changes, make it less toy gun (gun should be longer)
- cost changed to 310MP
- Squad members reduced to 4
- Light artillery barrage cost changed to 30MU
- Increase damage from main gun
-Like MG and Mortar changes.
-Like shocks, not sure if they need to be here. There is nothing wrong with doctrinal call in units, but if you are making a case for some infantry based light anti-tank then maybe put these guys in T1 instead of shocks/penals. That way button and AT-guns are not in the same tier.
-AT gun changes are ok, not sure if it is a damage increase but a penetration increase that is required. Health of some german tanks should be nerfed, i.e panther.
T3
T-70
- increase it's accuracy to enemy infantry
- increase damage
- make it faster
- cost changed to 240MP and 50Fuel
T34/76
- cost changed to 300MP and 75 Fuel
- remove Ram ability, instead of it, it can use Overdrive ability (for free or for 25MU)
- Infantry can now sit on T-34 armor, max 8 man sitting, one spot available, infantry sitting on T-34 would receive more damage from enemy units
- LoS should be decreased
- after researching "T34 ZiS-S-53 85 mm gun" this tank can be upgraded with T34/85 gun at the cost of 70MU and increases LoS
SU-76M
- Moved from T4 to T3
- Cost changed to 280MP and 50 Fuel
- Penetration and damage is the same as ZiS-3 AT gun
M5 Halftruck
- cost changed to 150MP and 30 Fuel
- Quad upgrade cost changed to 80MU
T34/85
- Available in T3 as a new unit (does not replace T34/76) after researching "T34 ZiS-S-53 85 mm gun)
- Stats match T34/76 and has increased LoS
- T34/85 gun has increased penetration, accuracy and damage to enemy tanks but have reduced accuracy to enemy infantry and slightly increased reload (by 1 second)
Possible upgrades in T3
- T34 ZiS-S-53 85 mm gun - enables you got build T34/85 and upgrade already existing T34/76 with ZiS-S-53 85 mm gun - cost 200MP and 60Fuel
-I find T-70s to be pretty good vs infantry, probably doesn't need an accuracy buff, but perhaps the damage buff, that way it can be used to hunt down flammenwerfers and late game nebel trucks.
-As long as it not a huge speed increase.
-Cost is the thing, currently T34 is easily more than 20 fuel better and I would even vouch 25 fuel better. How to make this unit worth getting without making it OP?
-SU-76 change is interesting, like it as it would be mean 1-3 pretty viable.
-Why not just make it like sherman upgun. You don't lose a lot of AI, and if you buff the T-70 that is your AI tank. Just make the upgrade make exisiting t34/76-->85s and new tanks still cost the same as the 76 but they are 85s.
T4
SU-85
- cost changed to 360MP and 75Fuel
- this ability that increases visibility is only working when tank is not moving (even can't turn)
- Reload should be slightly increased
KV-1
- cost: 440MP and 100 Fuel
- second greatest armor after IS-2 that has very slow turret and is very slow, makes a role of KT in CoH1
- has the same penetration and damage as the T34/76
Katiusza
- cost changed to 340MP and 75 Fuel
- fires all rockets at once (not 3 rockets in 4 or 5 series)
Mechanics
- new unit, 4 man squad, none is equipped (useless in combat because they can't fire and pick up weapons)
- they have advanced repair kits that one Mechanic squad match 2.5 Engineer squads repairing
- they can supervise buildings reducing build time of only tanks and AT guns
- they gain veterancy by repairing things, veterancy lvl's are increasing repairing rate, and reduce damage taken while repairing
- each squad member should have 40 HP (all other combat units have 80HP)
Possible upgrade in T4
- Repairing Mechanics - spawns near T4 3 man that will repair tanks and AT guns when they are near them, when killed they will spawn again (20 seconds for each mechanic), they dont get veterancy, you can't control them, have same repair stats as mechanics that can be build, cost: 100MU
-KV-1 is essentially a meat shield? What role does it fill?
-Mechanics are a nice idea, maybe doctrinal to replace gaurds or shocks?
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-KV-1 is essentially a meat shield? What role does it fill?
-Mechanics are a nice idea, maybe doctrinal to replace gaurds or shocks?
In early stage of war nothing could penetrate a KV-1, 5 KV-1's even stopped a german Panzer corps, destroying like 20 german panzers so yea, KV-1 is a meat shield
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In early stage of war nothing could penetrate a KV-1, 5 KV-1's even stopped a german Panzer corps, destroying like 20 german panzers so yea, KV-1 is a meat shield
early war like 39-41 then they developed guns that could pen it and it became obsolete.
also sources USSR had a knack for exaggeration.
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In early stage of war nothing could penetrate a KV-1, 5 KV-1's even stopped a german Panzer corps, destroying like 20 german panzers so yea, KV-1 is a meat shield
I understand that, but what role does it play in this game? A slow more expensive t34, that has slightly better armour but still gets penned by Paks, shrecks, stugs, panthers and elefants?
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I understand that, but what role does it play in this game? A slow more expensive t34, that has slightly better armour but still gets penned by Paks, shrecks, stugs, panthers and elefants?
what role? it's like an early KT from CoH1
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especially the conscript upgrades and fuel cost for the scoutcar would be nice, because the Sowjet would have the choice to either make his early game as strong as it is now or to not delay his t34
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