New Incoming Teching Costs.

Can you explain me how a faster T3 for soviet and +40 fuel for major as anything to do with a "hey rush Tech 4 when its even more expensive" thing ? Why spend this immense amount of fuel just for a panther when T3 tanks do the job very well ?

Sure I can.

Its not rocket science.
Sit and listen.


Soviet T3 arrives early, but it only have light vehicles, perfectly counterable by a single PaK and gren next to it.

Previously you would be "afraid" of fast T3, because there would be T34 there, its not there anymore, so soviet player needs T4. If he go T4, you'll see a delay as even if rushed, you won't see 11-12 min T34 as before-its impossible. Add to that side costs of molo or AT nade and you'll have even greater delay.

And that is with assumption there will be no T3 vehicle. Each one of them will further delay T34/Su-85/T34/85 and soviet T4 is the only logical reason you'd want to go for ost T4. After all, ostwind is all you need to counter T3.

Even if sov goes for IS-2, more CPs means more time for you to get to T4.

That being said, T3 or T4 both are valid choices, so I can't see why you are so fixated on T4.
Its still EASIER to go T2T4 for ost after the changes then it was before, because thanks to global tech increase you will not be punished with fast medium armor anymore therefore you'll have more breathing room to prepare for armor.

But again, now you have a choice, you don't need to go T4 to counter heavy armor, you don't need T4 to fight medium armor. You go there if you prefer it, not because you have to.

If you suck at unit perservation, holding out for T4 might be better for you as it provides more durabe and specialized armor while T3 being more micro intensive due to "fragility" still allows you to fight all targets.

And then they lived happily ever after.

Soviet T3 arrives early, but it only have light vehicles, perfectly counterable by a single PaK and gren next to it.

I rarely see a T70 staying afk taking faust + 2 pak shots.
With the help of Shreks okay, its understandable, with only a pak and gren, not really ;P

But yes, we will see after the patch, it can be a good thing

I rarely see a T70 staying afk taking faust + 2 pak shots.
With the help of Shreks okay, its understandable, with only a pak and gren, not really ;P

So let me explain it to you then.

PaK makes sure T70 won't rush you frontally, if he will, he'll get a shot and have to retreat.
Gren makes sure T70 won't flank you or rush your PaK to circle strafe kill it.

Not a rocket science.
Simple advantages for positioning properly.

You can even use dual 222 which will contest T70 just fine and you'll still save on fuel.

So let me explain it to you then.

PaK makes sure T70 won't rush you frontally, if he will, he'll get a shot and have to retreat.
Gren makes sure T70 won't flank you or rush your PaK to circle strafe kill it.

Not a rocket science.
Simple advantages for positioning properly.

You can even use dual 222 which will contest T70 just fine and you'll still save on fuel.

You still need 4 faust to kill it, if all your grens are around your pack, where is your map control ?

Anyway theory war is never usefull, we will see in the futur if this specific change is good, wait and see

Fast tech to T4 when its even more expensive, wut ?

Whats hard to understand? Battle-phases tech is cheaper, this means you can fast tech to t4 cheaper than ever.

I rarely see a T70 staying afk taking faust + 2 pak shots.
With the help of Shreks okay, its understandable, with only a pak and gren, not really ;P

But yes, we will see after the patch, it can be a good thing

You are talking with a man who never plays this game...

Sov will have no tech choices and it is sad (

Sov have no tech choices and it is sad (

Certainly better than before. You teched either T3 OR T4, and you only had 3 vehicles, T3 which had only one that can survive an attack. T4 which had no infantry combatting vehicles (and i mean face to face).

This crappy form of tech "choice" produced the callin meta.

Whats hard to understand? Battle-phases tech is cheaper, this means you can fast tech to t4 cheaper than ever.

You have prolems with maths? Fast tech to T4 is not cheaper than ever. Because the T4 building cost increases so much(30 to 75 fuel)...

Rush to T4 cost:
before: 45(BP1)+55(BP2)+60(BP3)+30(T4)=190
21st patch: 40(BP1)+45(BP2)+45(BP3)+75(T4)=205

BTW rush to T3 cost:
before: 45(BP1)+55(BP2)+25(T3)=125
21st patch: 40(BP1)+45(BP2)+75(T3)=160

T70 and SU76 can be earlier than ever by 40 fuel(T3 cost from 120 to 80 fuel), while Stug III will be later by 35 fuel, even later if you build 222 or 251. Ost always needs to choose defending units like schrechs or pak40 for T70 and M5. Is that the purpose of this patch? Oh relic said this new patch will increase alot of viable strategies... Very well...lol...

Whats hard to understand? Battle-phases tech is cheaper, this means you can fast tech to t4 cheaper than ever.

Battle phases are 5 fuel cheaper (each)
Buildings are 50 fuel more expensive each...


You're right, its not hard to understand but apparently you're failing to.

Sad thread is sad. Play the new patch then talk.

Yet another Queen flame post invissed. Seriousely kid, didn't you've had enough bans to learn some manners already?

Yet another Queen flame post invissed. Seriousely kid, didn't you've had enough bans to learn some manners already?

Yet another Queen flame post invissed. Seriousely kid, didn't you've had enough bans to learn some manners already?

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Sov will have no tech choices and it is sad (

Well, Soviets aren't really a flexible faction by design, rather, they are durable and affordable(ish.)

It would be my job here to remind those (like Queenrachet and Katitiof) that the battle phase costs are not the teching costs of the Wehrmacht...

Since a player cannot merely purchase the battle phase and WISH tanks into existence... it would be apparent that they must also include BUILDING COSTS.

When you add that to the Battle phase costs... you will find Ostheer are 130 fuel more expensive than any other faction to tech up.

ALSO refer to my first post in this topic for starting fuel, before saying that its fair for Wehrmacht to pay 130 more than any other faction.