Balance Data Since The Patch

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2015, 20:13 PMNorthWeapon

Just a few words to say:

Future COH2 esports tournaments will be 100% balanced for the following reason:
- Both teams will be able to play both Axis & Allies
- Both teams will play on the same maps
- Both teams will have access to the same commanders & factions

and if you wanna go further

- Both teams will have the same bulletins

Problem solved. Think CS:GO. Terrorists & Counter-Terrorists asymmetrically balanced but because you get to play both of them, it's balanced at the end.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2015, 08:32 AMTatatala

Let's have a look at this weeks 4v4 data:




Axis total games 2632, with an average WR = .865

Allies total games 1013, with an average WR = .574

Let's say that all those allied games were against top 200 axis randoms (which they weren't of course).
This leaves a shortfall of games played by allied randoms of 1619 games ( just over 61% of all axis top 200 games played).


What does this mean? It means that those games (61% of all top 200 axis games) were either played against AT teams, where the top Axis randoms were able to maintain their winning average and/or those games were against players of a (much?) lower skill (most likely scenario).

Given that a lot of players play random team games, this is problematic for maintaining the game's already depleted population imo.

If the game dies, it doesn't matter if you're top 1% player, in the top 200 randoms of any game mode, a high ranking AT team, or any other. Relic will stop updates for economical practicalities.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2015, 12:11 PMAlexzandvar

So is this thread only about 4v4 now because your chickenlittiling over balance in 2's seems to have fallen right on it's face.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2015, 14:41 PMTatatala

When did I say that it was all about 4's? People were talking about 4's, so I added some 4's stuff.

"Chickenlittiling" over balance on 2's has fallen on its (no apostrophe) face? Care to explain?

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2015, 16:58 PMAlexzandvar

You spent the entire first half of the thread saying everything was outa' whack because of the 2v2 stats you linked.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2015, 07:18 AMOhme

AT and Random games matter.

But, I also think you can take AT rankings importance a little to far. The data is interesting, without a doubt, because it represents a different population of players. That said, its population is comprised by those same AT players playing randoms.

Many people who play AT games play randoms in 3v3+, which means the AT data will necessarily be comprised of players who exist in the Random populations. These players who (can reasonably be believed to) enjoy team games are likely to be: more experienced, more skilled, and have more hours spent playing COH2 team games. The point being, AT players are also sometimes Random players, and in both cases they are often matched against players who are worse than them.


Everyone is playing against randoms.


AT Data will not necessarily reflect "Competitive 4v4s between arranged teams" because the data sample is polluted with random games.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2015, 17:40 PMNapalm

- Arranged team vs arranged team
- Arranged team vs randoms
- Randoms vs randoms

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2015, 17:37 PMTatatala

Please quote me.

Allies have become even weaker in team games. Probably due to the Double heavies crutch being taken away.

Random axis teams seem to cope a lot better, given the data, than random allies do, should they meet an AT team.

So top 200 2v2/3v3/4v4 random Allies, just have bad luck, and get a harder match more than the Axis random's?

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2015, 19:08 PMAlexzandvar

You keep mentioning team games and 2v2, were obviously now 2v2 is much more balanced than any of the game modes.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2015, 19:11 PMTatatala

3 quotes from 2 posts. Now, tell me if I'm wrong, but does that really equate with your previous statement?

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2015, 19:15 PMAlexzandvar

The reason I ask "Is this thread only going to be about 3v3 and 4v4" because it seems like that is the last remaining place were there is an obvious issue. Interestingly enough, everyone already knows what is wrong with both those game modes.

I'm merely trying to highlight that balance is actually in a really good place right now (not that factions could use help in certain area's) in the competitive game modes.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2015, 19:17 PMTatatala

No you're not. You tried to sneak in a cheap shot. Try harder next time.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2015, 19:25 PMAlexzandvar

However; we already know the biggest issue is maps.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2015, 21:07 PMelchino7

ease of use of units and lategame potential.