Should OKW get a heavy artillery piece?

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2015, 09:18 AMNathanm465

In regards to heavy arty for OKW, NO..

In regards to your 'historic' claim:

Never heard of the hummel, nebelwerfers,or the schwere gustav, the multiple railway guns and their other heavy mortars?

in regards to the nebelwerfers, where do you think the term firestorm came from?

And if history counts here? Hmm let us have 5 t34s to every panther for the same amount of fuel, let us have soviet artillery spam (just the way the soviets liked it), let us have the IS2 mod 1944 one shot tigers, panthers and kingtigers with ease, let us have only one 76mm long barreled sherman with every 3 to 4 other short barrel shermans and the list goes on...

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2015, 09:54 AMOmega_Warrior

Why should they get a non doctrinal heavy arty when no other faction has one?

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2015, 16:23 PMAlexzandvar

Not really, the only Axis howitzer sucks because it was nerfed into the ground. It originally was quite good.

All factions should have the same tools open to them, USF not getting heavy tanks is dumb, OKW not having artillery or mediums is dumb, Soviets having crap stock units is dumb.

Factions shouldn't have abitrary weakness's players can do nothing about, because it means the game becomes a match of rock paper scissors with one faction always beating another but being beat by a separate faction; which isn't fun.



Not with the fuel penalty.



Are you seriously implying the Sturmtiger is an artillery piece? I'm pretty much the only one who uses it because it's probably one of if not the hardest unit to micro in the game.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2015, 19:56 PMZombiFrancis

I'll never understand why people feel OKW is so impacted by having reduced resource income. When you take into account the ability to convert income, it alleviates most of the impact in almost every respect.

Converting fuel income into muni income and vice versa is as much an advantage as reduced income is a disadvantage. They effectively cancel each other out.

It's not like their manpower income is reduced or anything and that's what matters in most games. (Especially since most factions are often floating a great deal of resources anyway, due to the call-in meta.)

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2015, 17:31 PMWygrif

Well a quick google search informs me that the word "firestorm" comes from the late 16th century, so it sure as hell doesn't come from the Wehrmacht.

As for your other claims, you might want to re-read what I wrote. First, it contained the phrase "in the ardennes." The schwere gustav was a too-expensive impractical piece of shit, and it wasn't at the ardennes. You know what else wasn't at the Ardennes? Meaningful quantities of German artillery pieces or ammunition(1). It's pretty easy to achieve radical superiority in artillery when your enemy started with less than half of the pieces that you had, then has to abandon half of those due to lack of ammunition.

Second, yes, obviously balance > history. You may have noted that the first reason I gave was balance related. That doesn't justify actually misrepresenting history in the way that OP proposes.


(1) http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/7-8/7-8_25.htm#p656

On 16 December 1944, at 05:30, the Germans began the assault with a massive, 90-minute artillery barrage using 1,600 artillery pieces

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2015, 20:25 PMAlexzandvar

I missed this but how could you seriously not know that the Battle of the Bulge involved immense amounts of artillery?

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2015, 19:56 PMZombiFrancis

I'll never understand why people feel OKW is so impacted by having reduced resource income. When you take into account the ability to convert income, it alleviates most of the impact in almost every respect.

Converting fuel income into muni income and vice versa is as much an advantage as reduced income is a disadvantage. They effectively cancel each other out.

It's not like their manpower income is reduced or anything and that's what matters in most games. (Especially since most factions are often floating a great deal of resources anyway, due to the call-in meta.)

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2015, 21:44 PMDakkaIsMagic

They do have a Heavy Artillery piece.

Its called the Walking Stuka.

Yes, it involved lots of artillery. The vast majority of which was American not German. The Germans started with 1,600 artillery pieces, which sounds impressive until you remember that they had to abandon half of them almost immediately due to lack of ammunition and what wasn't abandoned struggled mostly couldn't keep up with the advance of the German Army. I'd respectfully suggest that you check the section labelled "the artillery arm" in the cite previously provided.

There was a whole lot of battle after December 16. From Dec. 23 to January 25 (most of the battle) the Americans had 4,155 artillery pieces--more than double what the Germans started with, and much, much more than the Germans could actually bring to bear.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2015, 22:51 PMAlexzandvar

I didn't know the Stuka cost only manpower, required no teching, and was capable of being re-crewed once killed?

Much like "b-b-but Germans didn't use artillery" guy, do you seriously think rocket artillery=heavy artillery?

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2015, 23:48 PMZombiFrancis

As an OKW player, I can decide which I need more: munitions or fuel.

As a Soviet, Ostheer, and American player, if I don't have enough of a resource there's nothing I can do about it without a doctrine choice.

But honestly, OKW doesn't translate from 1v1s to team games without the faction design going completely bonkers. Anything that's true for OKW in 1v1s is a completely different matter for team matches. Any argument anyone makes about OKW for 1v1s will be beset by the realities of how broken they are in team games. Anything addressing team games will be complained about because OKW functions very differently in a 1v1 environment.

It's lose-lose discussing OKW's resource management design. They're largely a broken faction as a result.

The Russians did with there vast array of Katushas with rockets ranging from 82mm to 300mm, on many platforms.

But I await the cherry-picking.

Also, not everything the OKW has needs to be some big sized weapon or something. Too many of them and it tends to get stupid.
I'm looking at you King tiger/Sturmtiger/Jagdtiger.

I also believe the 15 cm Nebelwerfer 41 is what they need.

Jump back to quoted post2 May 2015, 07:45 AMDakkaIsMagic

I'll just drop this here and watch the cherry-picking from a good distance.

Rocket Artillery is still Artillery.