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31 Mar 2015, 00:27 AM
#101
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 00:24 AMCabreza


My point is that the Jackson requires the same number of penetrations as an SU-85 to kill a medium tank now while having almost half the RoF of an SU-85. This means the Jackson is going to be a less of a hard counter to Ost T3 and medium tanks in general.


It still does more damage and is far, far more mobile. While also having more penetration for ~reasons~ now.
31 Mar 2015, 00:27 AM
#102
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 00:19 AMRemi


Yea great news for you cookies, maybe now with further buffs to the strongest faction in 1vs1 you can finally break out of the 50% win ratio ^^



Your tears taste delicious
31 Mar 2015, 00:29 AM
#103
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Relic just keeps ostheer around for show.Huge nerfs for OKW,but a couple of dogbones for ost.

No tech costs fix.Really..this one is just funny.
Panther still inaccesible.
Artillery still shit and inaccessible.Both lefh and werfer.
Pzgrens still cost-ineffective.

Also with jackson armor buff panther is not a problem,2 jacksons will 2 shot a panther.With this,is the p-47 glorious skillplane still'the only thing that can reliably kill axis armor'?Lolz.


I think the nerfs for okw are ok, except the KT one in relation to IS2 performance. Don't know either how the pen buff for the Jackson works out since you could call this a double nerf.
On the ostheer changes I agree, a lot of units still won't see the light of the day, especially those you mentioned.
31 Mar 2015, 00:29 AM
#104
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Yeah most of the time.With 200 dmg u need 4 shots to kill panther.2 jacksons with new pen will have 60-70% chance of doing that.With wehrmacht teching cost getting 1 panther is more costly than 2 jacksons for usf.Very good job relic.Then there' the p-47 skillplane.And don't even bring up tiger,we all know jacksons laugh at it,now even more hopeless with blitz,not that i disagree with that change.
I mean our artillery is still shit and locked away,we have no lategame infantry.Threw a scrap mg42 ,without teching costs change its totally meaningless patch for ostheer.
31 Mar 2015, 00:30 AM
#105
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31 Mar 2015, 00:30 AM
#106
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I will not defend the Jackson until I play the game. But Axis people trembling in fear need to realize Jackson shots only deal 25% more damage than a t34/76. But somehow people always conveniently forget it also reloads around 25% slower.

StuGs are the unlikely winners of this Jackson buff. They will now die in 3 M36 hits instead of 2. So they can handle 2 Jackson reload cycles instead of one.

However, reliable penetrations of expensive Axis tanks from the front will be a huge deal because M36 will vet up faster.

Dunno if OP for 1v1s, but this change probably singlehandedly saved allied larger team games.
31 Mar 2015, 00:31 AM
#107
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The tears the glorious tears


i can't keep up with all the tears lol. amazing how there is no restraint when people are trying to look like victims.
31 Mar 2015, 00:32 AM
#108
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In any case my attention is more on Ost than OKW.


Yeah, there's not much here for Ostheer and they were basically OKWs economy and skill plane bitch before.


I hope this is a "clear the decks" patch before they look at Commanders and Call in later
31 Mar 2015, 00:33 AM
#109
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You guys want to know what's moist and delicious?


Maybe now when axis are nerfed into the ground you can finally start winning some games and BM people in match-chat when you win.
31 Mar 2015, 00:33 AM
#110
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I will not defend the Jackson until I play the game. But Axis people trembling in fear need to realize Jackson shots only deal 25% more damage than a t34/76. But somehow people always conveniently forget it also reloads around 25% slower.



You also need to realize that panther has same dmg as t-34/76 and even slower reload.And now its armor is not a problem.
31 Mar 2015, 00:34 AM
#111
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Yeah most of the time.With 200 dmg u need 4 shots to kill panther.2 jacksons with new pen will have 60-70% chance of doing that


When Jacksons had 240DMG they could also 4 shot a Panther - with a 50% chance at max range.

Now they can 4 shot a Panther with a chance of 62,5% per hit at max range.

That's not a big difference TBH. RNG can still troll you and cause 4 bounces in a row.
31 Mar 2015, 00:34 AM
#112
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I will not defend the Jackson until I play the game. But Axis people trembling in fear need to realize Jackson shots only deal 25% more damage than a t34/76. But somehow people always conveniently forget it also reloads around 25% slower.

StuGs are the unlikely winners of this Jackson buff. They will now die in 3 M36 hits instead of 2. So they can handle 2 Jackson reload cycles instead of one.

However, reliable penetrations of expensive Axis tanks from the front will be a huge deal because M36 will vet up faster.

Dunno if OP for 1v1s, but this change probably singlehandedly saved allied larger team games.


The whole "Have fun with 100% chance to pen AP shells" is a tad bit wonkey considering the entire reason it HAD ACPR shells was because of the anemic pen.

i can't keep up with all the tears lol. amazing how there is no restraint when people trying to look like victims.


Amazing how there is no restraint when people act like vindictive children who enjoy revenge porn :)
31 Mar 2015, 00:36 AM
#113
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BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG BALANCE PATCH

Relic u just **** 6 month for not even one page just a few changes this wont fix it.

31 Mar 2015, 00:36 AM
#114
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 00:33 AMspajn


Maybe now when axis are nerfed into the ground you can finally start winning some games and BM people in match-chat when you win.
i was a top 50 soviet 1v1 player brah i don't need patches to improve me play unlike you
31 Mar 2015, 00:38 AM
#115
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When Jacksons had 240DMG they could also 4 shot a Panther - with a 50% chance at max range.

Now they can 4 shot a Panther with a chance of 62,5% per hit at max range.

That's not a big difference TBH. RNG can still troll you and cause 4 bounces in a row.


The second shot usually takes place at mid or close range when panther tries to close.the chance is 70% above there.And 63% is much much reliable than 50%.YOu will never see 4 bounces,only in ur dreams.2 jacksons will often 2 shot a panther.Maybe it takes one more shot..so what..whats panther with its shit DPS gonna do except maybe get one shot off in that duration,lol.
31 Mar 2015, 00:40 AM
#116
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Yeah most of the time.With 200 dmg u need 4 shots to kill panther.2 jacksons with new pen will have 60-70% chance of doing that.
At long range, 200 / 310 = 64% to pen.

In order for 2 Jackson to twoshot a Panther all four shots need to penetrate. Chance for that is (0.645 ^ 4) which is around 0.13

So your "most of the time" boils down to 13% of the time or one in eight encounters.
31 Mar 2015, 00:41 AM
#117
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It still does more damage and is far, far more mobile. While also having more penetration for ~reasons~ now.


The extra 40 damage is only relevant vs medium armor if there are other sources of AT on the field to help round down the number of shots needed to kill a P4. The extra 40 damage is a lot more important vs heavy tanks because it allows the Jackson to KO a heavy in the same number of penetrations as before. You could say the Jackson traded the raw DPS of a SU-85 for better penetration vs heavies.

It remains to be seen if the Jackson performs too well against heavies.
31 Mar 2015, 00:42 AM
#118
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At long range, 200 / 310 = 64% to pen.

In order for 2 Jackson to twoshot a Panther all four shots need to penetrate. Chance for that is (0.645 ^ 4) which is around 0.13

So your "most of the time" boils down to 13% of the time or one in eight encounters.


With AP shells those Jacksons will have a 84% chance to pen the Panther frontally.
31 Mar 2015, 00:43 AM
#119
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At long range, 200 / 310 = 64% to pen.


Panther has 320 armor. Just saying.
31 Mar 2015, 00:44 AM
#120
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Solid patch - hoping for more patches on a regular basis.
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