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27 Mar 2015, 15:22 PM
#241
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They are slow as it is. They would be crawling and enemy tanks would simply drive by and shoot them in the back.
This is precisely what should happen to unsupported heavy tanks that get bumrushed by weaker, more maneuverable tanks.

Where did this notion come from that it is okay to expect your heavy tanks to be able to win against anything and not fear being destroyed if you do not support them?
27 Mar 2015, 15:27 PM
#242
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Heavy tanks are already easily flanked by Mediums with out blitz, just remove that and it's fine.
27 Mar 2015, 16:11 PM
#243
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Heavy tanks are already easily flanked by Mediums with out blitz, just remove that and it's fine.


Not really. Even when flanked, their high rear armour means it's ridiculously difficult for non-doctrinal mediums to do damage. And said heavy tanks, if they even can get their turret facing the target can then rotate as fast as most mediums can circle strafe.

Look at P4s vs IS-2 sor T-34-76s vs KTs. They have extreme difficulty even punching through the rear armour at point-blank.
27 Mar 2015, 16:24 PM
#244
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Not really. Even when flanked, their high rear armour means it's ridiculously difficult for non-doctrinal mediums to do damage. And said heavy tanks, if they even can get their turret facing the target can then rotate as fast as most mediums can circle strafe.

Look at P4s vs IS-2 sor T-34-76s vs KTs. They have extreme difficulty even punching through the rear armour at point-blank.


The P4 versus the IS2's rear armor isn't as bad as 76's versus the KT's rear armor. But ultimately the problem with Heavy tanks is that they are to cheap for how well they preform.

The only heavy tank that is appropriately priced is the KT, because you have to tech for it and there is a reduced fuel income. If all the other heavies followed the same model you would see a lot more mediums because heavies wouldn't be cheaper than mediums due to teching.

P4's cost more than a IS2, but the KT costs as much as several T34/76's.
27 Mar 2015, 16:26 PM
#245
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Heavy tanks are already easily flanked by Mediums with out blitz, just remove that and it's fine.

Except they are not.
They need a second more to get to top speed and their top speed is not much slower at all then mediums top speed, which means its not possible to reliably flank if you aren't going around the map already.

Play less 4v4s and you might actually get what is going on in competitive modes.
27 Mar 2015, 17:05 PM
#246
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jump backJump back to quoted post27 Mar 2015, 16:26 PMKatitof

Except they are not.
They need a second more to get to top speed and their top speed is not much slower at all then mediums top speed, which means its not possible to reliably flank if you aren't going around the map already.

Play less 4v4s and you might actually get what is going on in competitive modes.


I play 2's more than any other mode in the game. But all heavies have at least 1 less top speed or more than mediums. The Tiger, and KT are the slowest non-specialized heavies in the game. Really the only issue relating to speed is Blitz and Overdrive.

27 Mar 2015, 17:11 PM
#247
avatar of Nuclear Arbitor
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eh, mediums don't generally have a huge issue getting behind heavies, provided the fight is happening in a vacuum. as soon as you have things from real situations, like mines, AT guns, pathing, etc., then you have problems getting behind. mediums aren't particularly effective though, even when they get behind.

and circle strafing works but it sucks because you have moving accuracy the entire time and you spend half your time facing the enemies' front armour and half the time facing the rear so some of your shots end up on the front armour.
27 Mar 2015, 18:57 PM
#248
avatar of WingZero

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circle strafing works but it sucks because you have moving accuracy


That moving accuracy on medium tanks makes all the difference between finishing the Heavy off or losing the medium tank.
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