Ostheer - MG42

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 17:54 PMBurts

If you lose rifles, you lose the game. 4 rifles and 3 paratroopers is waaaaay too crazy.

You don't let them do anything because you have never played a 1v1 with any faction. You're just making up these wishful thinking but-I-watch-stream sscenarios, when again you just talk out your ass.
Squad wipes happen? I thought USF was invincible and rolled over ostheer with impunity and devastation thanks to unlimited manpower and lack of weakness?

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 16:49 PM__deleted__

Hm? You can actually do that pretty easily, this is nothing out of the ordinary.

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 18:29 PMQueenRatchet123

No way a usf player could field that much infantry...

Combine that with the fact that major and ambulance take up popcap and add addition bleed

an early Ostwind would rek that usf player

Plus the bleed would be too high to get shermans

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 18:04 PMAlexzandvar

You can afford to lose a rifle squad or two and still win

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 18:32 PM__deleted__

3 Rifles 2 Paras plus RE, I do that pretty often. One thing you can actually do to alleviate supply pressure is crew an airdropped AT gun with your LT, gives you an additional BAR too.

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 18:33 PMQueenRatchet123

TOP FUCKING LEL

Austerkitz and plenty of others were saying just that, and you were agreeing with them.

Every USF player uses paras, no goos USF player spams them,blobs them, AND blobs and spams rifles with smoke because it's upkeep suicide.

Yes paras replace rifles as the game goes on..But it's impossible to "spam" paras without delaying your tech considerably.

No good USF Player SPAMS PARAS with smoke and AA halfteacks and all the other garbage austerlitz was spewing and wins unless we're talking noob on noob matchup, or pure luck.

Which YOU were agreeing with.

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 18:52 PMAlexzandvar

losing 1 rifle squad isn't the end of the game, and If I said losing one gren squad was the end of the game for Ostheer you would rip my head off.

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 18:52 PMAlexzandvar

losing 1 rifle squad isn't the end of the game, and If I said losing one gren squad was the end of the game for Ostheer you would rip my head off.



The USF blob factor is just the same as OKW, all they have MP wise to spend is just infantry, no support weapons.

I agreed with them that USF encourages blobing, but the statement that you can get 4 Rifles into 3 Para's is obviously idiotic, but the statement that you can get 2-3 Paras over the course of an entire game isn't.

I think we are agreeing, but your so pissed at me you don't want to admit it.

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 19:06 PMQueenRatchet123

DONT bulshit.

U said 2-3 paras plus 4 rifles happens often

Im here to clean ur bullshit up. U are lying

Post a replay where you where able to bet 4 rifles with 3 paras out and still win without beeding

U cant

Because you are a liar

NO SUPPORT WEAPONS. So in a 1v1, you do a airborne company build, and you come across a lull where the ost player pushes you back and manages to tech T3, and a p4 is imminent.
You've spent most of your mp on AI, and since you don't believe in American support weapons, since theye like OKW and have shrieks and obers to fill this void.

You have nothing but at rife nades to stop this p4, since no MP for 57mm, and buying enough zooks means no m1919s.

P4 comes. You lose.

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 19:20 PMAlexzandvar

I said it's not that rare to be able to get 4 rifles and some para's not that it happened every game.

not rare =/= happens often.

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 19:24 PMQueenRatchet123

Doesnt matter

Based on the fact that u keep making increasingly ignorant comment proves you havent touched 1v1's

Mods, plz lock this thread

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 18:12 PM__deleted__

Alex, I don't mean to be a jerk, but the other guys are right here, you are a out of your depth here.
Losing a Rifle squad in a 1 is as problematic to US as an early Gren loss is to OH, it will haunt you all game and may very well prove decisive unless you manage to trade. Even in the lategame, in contrast to ie. 4s, you absolutely cannot afford to lose your core infantry squads, as they will usually win you the game.
3 Rifles 2 Paras is doable, as is 2 Rifles, 2 REs into Paras or variations thereof, but anything more will impose an intolerable supply/mp bleed upon you.

I will only ever get 4 rifles simultaneously with a Cpt tech and Inf company, and I've never seen any more in competitive games.

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 19:26 PMAlexzandvar

I have self admittedly never touched ones good thing this thread isn't only about those.

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 19:43 PMQueenRatchet123

Then why the FUCK!

Are u pretending that a 4 rifle and 3 para strat is normall?

Can we go back into MG42 ?

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 19:48 PMcomm_ash

*Ignores last 4 pages of comments*

The MG42 is actually not in as bad of a spot as I used to think. I have been messing around with a 2 gren -> mg opening with jaeger infantry doc, and I find that the MG42 is amazing with ambush camo.

With 2 MGs that are camoed, you can have them support each other, so enemy flanks just don't happen on most maps. On top of this, with ambush camo and hold fire, the enemy won't know where your mgs are until he commits his troops into an offense.

2 MG42s require quite a bit more micro than gren blobbing, but I find that it gives you much greater rewards, and allows you to easily hold a section of the map. If you use the mgs well, you may even have vet 1 by the time the m20/AAHT arrives, and you can counter it with incendiary rounds, quite easily.

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 19:39 PMelchino7

4 Rifles + 3 Paras is a stupid statement. Simple.



Can we go back into MG42 ?

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2015, 20:10 PM__deleted__

Hm? Ambush camo on 42s is bugged. I've seen it a few times in this patch, unless it got very recently ninjaed. You can see the unit, you can't shoot at it though. IIRC a guy called Arthurkrupp uses them alot, he is a solid OH player. Still, ambush camo is in nonviable doctrines. No amount of ambush camo is gonna protect you from an IS-2...