So i've been playing 4 vs 4s a lot more lately,since ost is helpless in 1 vs1 and relatively weak in 2 vs 2.So my question..in these large game modes panther is not inaccesible..so what do you prefer t2-t4 for panther or t2 to tiger or t3 to tiger?
Is ur choice influenced by opponents?
When choosing panther would u always take a smoke doctrine?
I find myself using panther with festung armor against opponents heavy in soviet.And tiger vs american heavy team.
Tiger or Panther?
10 Jan 2015, 09:20 AM
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10 Jan 2015, 09:36 AM
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If u have tiger commander select tiger if u have pak 43 or other commander go panther, tiger is a little more expensive but is much better (in me opinion) 
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10 Jan 2015, 09:49 AM
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Elephnat 
Ok, but really, Tiger, always. I'm going for Panther only if I'm using luftwaffe or close air support but most of the time Tiger.
Slower, lower range but it's good vs everything on the other hand Panther has problems vs infantry.
Ok, but really, Tiger, always. I'm going for Panther only if I'm using luftwaffe or close air support but most of the time Tiger.
Slower, lower range but it's good vs everything on the other hand Panther has problems vs infantry.
10 Jan 2015, 09:50 AM
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PIVs and Elefant.
10 Jan 2015, 09:53 AM
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PIVs and Elefant.
That's a solid setup indeed, PIV's AI rock, and Elefant's AT are pretty damn good if their flanks are covered.
10 Jan 2015, 09:54 AM
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10 Jan 2015, 10:03 AM
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PIV all the way regardless of game mode.
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10 Jan 2015, 11:27 AM
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I prefer the Panther for all scenarios as its speed allows for viable hit-and-run tactics unlike the Tiger that can be caught (e.g. by the Jacksons) far more easily. The choice is not influenced by opponent units as the Panther has more flanking potential vs Soviet heavies and (as noted above) is safer vs USF long-range TDs
re: choosing a doctrine for the Panthers - smoke doctrines are great supplement for them, although I don't base my selection on that alone. Very often one of my three commanders is a Tiger one (the Mechanized Assault ATM) but I ignore the Tiger and go for the Panther anyway.
re: choosing a doctrine for the Panthers - smoke doctrines are great supplement for them, although I don't base my selection on that alone. Very often one of my three commanders is a Tiger one (the Mechanized Assault ATM) but I ignore the Tiger and go for the Panther anyway.
10 Jan 2015, 15:47 PM
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Jacksons own PIV's
10 Jan 2015, 15:58 PM
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Jacksons own PIV's
Any and all call-ins own PIVs, be it Lend-Lease Shermans, E8s, 34/85s, not to mention the IS-2, anything really outfights a PIV handily.
Still, the Ele/PIV combo is a good pick against US, as long as the map is open.
10 Jan 2015, 16:01 PM
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Even the M10 and the bulldozer?
Any and all call-ins own PIVs, be it Lend-Lease Shermans, E8s, 34/85s, not to mention the IS-2, anything really outfights a PIV handily.
Still, the Ele/PIV combo is a good pick against US, as long as the map is open.
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10 Jan 2015, 16:04 PM
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Ok. The Bulldozer does not. If you positively have to fight off hordes of Bulldozers, the PIV might be a good choice. 
10 Jan 2015, 16:21 PM
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Tigers in close/urban maps and panther in open maps because of speed and range. in large games you can go T4 as ostheer, and this lets you chose another commander and use other utilities (like Stuka air support if you don't spot any AA, Command tank which is great, defensive doctrine for hull down etc.)
10 Jan 2015, 16:43 PM
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If u have tiger commander select tiger if u have pak 43 or other commander go panther, tiger is a little more expensive but is much better (in me opinion)
Well, if you take fuel / manpower cost for teching into consideration, the Panther is much more expensive than a Tiger.
In terms of AT the Panther is simply better than the Tiger. A Tiger, like every heavy call-in (apart from Elefant/Jagdtiger), is an allround tank with slightly less armor and speed.
On topic: In 4v4s, where you can easily afford to tech up to get a Panther, I would always go for it.
A Tiger is a bit too weak against IS-2s/Jacksons IMO.
10 Jan 2015, 17:22 PM
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Tiger 88 mmL56 low pen than 75 mm L70 but good AOE for deal infantry medicore for fight tank
and Panther great to deal tank and medicore for infantry
Speed panther is best for Axis Tank (expect Lucas)
armor sightly lower than tiger But if Panther gain vet 2 armor buff but tiger not has it
cost Tiger not suffer form Tech up like panther some OST player can play heavy tier 2 and wait it
Ps. 4v4 Okw most use panther for deal allies tank
and Panther great to deal tank and medicore for infantry
Speed panther is best for Axis Tank (expect Lucas)
armor sightly lower than tiger But if Panther gain vet 2 armor buff but tiger not has it
cost Tiger not suffer form Tech up like panther some OST player can play heavy tier 2 and wait it
Ps. 4v4 Okw most use panther for deal allies tank
10 Jan 2015, 17:37 PM
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Tiger 88 mmL56 low pen than 75 mm L70 but good AOE for deal infantry medicore for fight tank
and Panther great to deal tank and medicore for infantry
Speed panther is best for Axis Tank (expect Lucas)
armor sightly lower than tiger But if Panther gain vet 2 armor buff but tiger not has it
cost Tiger not suffer form Tech up like panther some OST player can play heavy tier 2 and wait it
Ps. 4v4 Okw most use panther for deal allies tank
thx for the headache.
10 Jan 2015, 18:02 PM
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Well, if you take fuel / manpower cost for teching into consideration, the Panther is much more expensive than a Tiger.
In terms of AT the Panther is simply better than the Tiger. A Tiger, like every heavy call-in (apart from Elefant/Jagdtiger), is an allround tank with slightly less armor and speed.
On topic: In 4v4s, where you can easily afford to tech up to get a Panther, I would always go for it.
A Tiger is a bit too weak against IS-2s/Jacksons IMO.
WTF mate...
Phanter better than a tiger in AT power, have less armor than a Panther, and weak vs IS-2... man u know what is a Tiger?
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10 Jan 2015, 18:15 PM
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WTF mate...
Phanter better than a tiger in AT power, have less armor than a Panther, and weak vs IS-2... man u know what is a Tiger?
Tiger armor: 300
Panther armor: 320
Penetration near/mid/far
Panther: 260.0/240.0/220.0
Tiger: 220.0/200.0/180.0
Range:
Tiger: 40
Panther: 50
Now, tell me which one is better vs tanks, huh?
10 Jan 2015, 18:29 PM
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Tiger armor: 300
Panther armor: 320
Penetration near/mid/far
Panther: 260.0/240.0/220.0
Tiger: 220.0/200.0/180.0
Range:
Tiger: 40
Panther: 50
Now, tell me which one is better vs tanks, huh?
Firstly, Panther has 320 but when reach vet 2.
Secondly, it's about dealing with tanks but what about ZiS? How your Panther with deal with them?
Tiger has 1040hp, Panther 800.
What about rear armor? Tiger has a chance to bounce Sherman or T34 shells.
Tiger is all-in-one. It can deal with t34, IS2, Shermans, infatry, at gun.
Panther can deal only with vehicles so you have to spend more pop cap for infantry.
3 Tigers can roll out whole army.
3 Panthers can do nothing against at guns.
And Tiger reloads faster.
10 Jan 2015, 18:40 PM
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Firstly, Panther has 320 but when reach vet 2.
Secondly, it's about dealing with tanks but what about ZiS? How your Panther with deal with them?
Tiger has 1040hp, Panther 800.
What about rear armor? Tiger has a chance to bounce Sherman or T34 shells.
Tiger is all-in-one. It can deal with t34, IS2, Shermans, infatry, at gun.
Panther can deal only with vehicles so you have to spend more pop cap for infantry.
3 Tigers can roll out whole army.
3 Panthers can do nothing against at guns.
And Tiger reloads faster.
Once a Panther reaches vet 2 it has even more armor + 160HP (960 in total; not much less than a Tiger)
As I've already said, Panthers are more AT and Tigers are more allround tanks. I don't know why you are arguing with me now.
Why would I engage AT guns with tanks? I have my infantry for that.
Yes, 3 Tigers can wreck an entire army, but so can IS-2s, and those IS-2s will make your Tigers cry for their moms.
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