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Jackson needs a slight buff

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9 Jan 2015, 21:09 PM
#1
avatar of pussyking
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I feel like Jackson might need a slight buff so it 100% guarantee kills a walking stuka in one shot.

Jackson currently does not kill a stuka with one shot, but it should. Its the whole idea with such a tank like jackson, hit and run.

What do you think?
9 Jan 2015, 21:10 PM
#2
avatar of Kronosaur0s

Posts: 1701

Yes please, so it can deny Ostheer T3 even more realiable
9 Jan 2015, 21:22 PM
#3
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Why not make it kill everything in 1 shot?

What do you think?
9 Jan 2015, 21:28 PM
#4
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why not making axis Players insta loose at the start of every game...

what do you think???
9 Jan 2015, 21:31 PM
#5
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It's not about Jackson. It's about Stuka. Why PzWerfer and katy have 160hp and Stuka has 320?
I would love to see penetration 260-240-220 and 160dmg or 240-220-200 and 200dmg.
Less rng.
9 Jan 2015, 21:42 PM
#6
avatar of WingZero

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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Jan 2015, 21:22 PMdbmb
Why not make it kill everything in 1 shot?

What do you think?


If my Kat can die from 1 hit from a panther than Stuka should die from 1 hit Jackson.
9 Jan 2015, 21:53 PM
#7
avatar of AchtAchter

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If my Kat can die from 1 hit from a panther than Stuka should die from 1 hit Jackson.


It costs significantly more and comes from a fuel starved faction. It has also a lower range, means it needs to be nearer to the battlefield where it can be easily sniped by a tank dive.
Once the first stuka comes out, you won't see a second one soon, since the fuel income is lower.

But yes op, please give the Jackson 320 dmg per shot so it becomes a fast Elefant with a turret.
9 Jan 2015, 21:59 PM
#8
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It costs significantly more and comes from a fuel starved faction. It has also a lower range, means it needs to be nearer to the battlefield where it can be easily sniped by a tank dive.
Once the first stuka comes out, you won't see a second one soon, since the fuel income is lower.

But yes op, please give the Jackson 320 dmg per shot so it becomes a fast Elefant with a turret.

It costs 15 more fuel on a faction that gets the building which produces it basically for free.
The "starved" faction that for some reason have cheapest tiering in game and being able to get some of fastest and most powerful stock armor in game.

And yes, Walking Stuka got too much HP compared to all other mobile arty.
9 Jan 2015, 22:45 PM
#9
avatar of NinjaWJ

Posts: 2070

No need to buff jackson. Nerf stuka health
10 Jan 2015, 00:16 AM
#10
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Reduce Stuka health to 240HP.
Buff Panzerwerfer Rof (?)
10 Jan 2015, 00:24 AM
#11
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Wipes tears from eyes, laughing.....cut him some slack, please guys?

@ pussy. Maybe read some more before starting this stuff?
10 Jan 2015, 01:48 AM
#12
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Jackson has its problems, but give how it shuts down Ostheer T3, I don't think it needs buffs currently.

It'd be like buffing the Ost panther because it nullifies Soviet T3, oh wait.
10 Jan 2015, 01:56 AM
#13
avatar of Jinseual

Posts: 598

Don't nerf Stuka health, it costs the same as a medium tank!
10 Jan 2015, 02:07 AM
#14
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Jackson has its problems, but give how it shuts down Ostheer T3, I don't think it needs buffs currently.

It'd be like buffing the Ost panther because it nullifies Soviet T3, oh wait.


It needs a pen buff, because it's absolute shit against anything that isn't a medium tank.

Not even saying a huge pen buff, it's a 240dmg cannon a slight buff to make it a tad bit more consistent, as it is it fails more than it succeeds, the supposed turreted super squishy tank destroyer can't destroy tanks and it's a drain of resources on any other role.

Its main antagonist (the OKW panther) simply laughs at it, its function is more that of giving the panther vet since it can't chase it because of shot blockers/panzerschrecks/pak43/raketen whatever, can't penetrate it at vet 2 (unless HVAP is used, but there lies the problem, you need penetrations to get experience) and even if you are in a good spot to kill the panther it just needs vet 1 to activate the afterburners and go at incredible speed with a ridiculous -50% received accuracy bonus, it's just silly.
10 Jan 2015, 03:44 AM
#15
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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Jan 2015, 02:07 AMaradim


It needs a pen buff, because it's absolute shit against anything that isn't a medium tank.

Not even saying a huge pen buff, it's a 240dmg cannon a slight buff to make it a tad bit more consistent, as it is it fails more than it succeeds, the supposed turreted super squishy tank destroyer can't destroy tanks and it's a drain of resources on any other role.

Its main antagonist (the OKW panther) simply laughs at it, its function is more that of giving the panther vet since it can't chase it because of shot blockers/panzerschrecks/pak43/raketen whatever, can't penetrate it at vet 2 (unless HVAP is used, but there lies the problem, you need penetrations to get experience) and even if you are in a good spot to kill the panther it just needs vet 1 to activate the afterburners and go at incredible speed with a ridiculous -50% received accuracy bonus, it's just silly.


I feel the jackson should simply be replaced with the M10 as stock US TD with some minor buffs too it like turret rotation this way late game they scale by sheer numbers of 2 or 3 combined with a nerf to shrecks and actually adding side armor would work quite well I believe
10 Jan 2015, 03:58 AM
#16
avatar of Nuclear Arbitor
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or give the jackson 200 damage and increase the pen. this would mean it takes 4 shots to kill a 640hp tank but only 3 if they're hit by a pfaust/AT nade/AT RG.
10 Jan 2015, 04:02 AM
#17
avatar of AssaultPlazma

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or give the jackson 200 damage and increase the pen. this would mean it takes 4 shots to kill a 640hp tank but only 3 if they're hit by a pfaust/AT nade/AT RG.


problem is the Jackson is mostly balanced for OBK but not for OST tier 3 which renders it almost obsolete as is and buffing it will only make it worse.
10 Jan 2015, 04:08 AM
#18
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vs wehr t3: dominant
vs wehr t4: not too good
10 Jan 2015, 04:15 AM
#19
avatar of Nuclear Arbitor
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problem is the Jackson is mostly balanced for OBK but not for OST tier 3 which renders it almost obsolete as is and buffing it will only make it worse.

that change would make it worse vs units like the IV and better against units like the V...
10 Jan 2015, 04:45 AM
#20
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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Jan 2015, 04:08 AMakula
vs wehr t3: dominant
vs wehr t4: not too good


Wehr T4 is a thing of legend.You keep hearing about it,but ofcourse u can never see the real thing.
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