1. Play Soviets
2. Have your teammates play Soviets
3. Enjoy a balanced and fair (albeit cheesy) game
No really, I just started playing as Soviets and I can suddenly win team games. We had a KT ravaging out base in a seemingly lost game and I popped an IS2 behind it (we still had 50/50 map control but we were losing all over) and some other Soviet shit and we brought it back. I just played a game of Ettlebruck Station and the Soviet support weapons went toe to toe with the Axis ones for a bloody meatgrinder. I shudder at the thought of my riflesquads just melting in CQB against the Axis hordes but stout shock troops and cheap maxims saved the day.
How about that ZiS 3? 57mm is useless against infantry and meh against tanks but in CQB, it's just as good against tanks and fucks infantry up! I didn't even build any tanks but my teammates did and their tanks strangely didn't melt. How about those penals with the flamer? Rifle flamer blows up all the time. Penals kick ass.
Just play Soviets
Winning strategy for allies in team games
22 Nov 2014, 20:48 PM
#1
Posts: 395
I bought vCoH on January 3rd, 2007.
Still missing the days of vCoH 1.71. It had it's issues, like paks sniping 57s, and the strafe didn't work, but overall, it was probably the most balanced time in CoH history.
OF ruined that. CoH 2 is....balanced in a nasty way. Everyone has an equal stockpile of gamebreaking bullshit. USA is full of early game BS while the OKW doesn't get its BS until late game. It's just a question of how badly you exploit the faction's shit and how quickly, after a patch, you discover the gaping holes of bullshit Relic leaves. But either way, it's all BS. The only "BS" in vCoH that was gamechanging was the fast m8 vs a bunker.
Still missing the days of vCoH 1.71. It had it's issues, like paks sniping 57s, and the strafe didn't work, but overall, it was probably the most balanced time in CoH history.
OF ruined that. CoH 2 is....balanced in a nasty way. Everyone has an equal stockpile of gamebreaking bullshit. USA is full of early game BS while the OKW doesn't get its BS until late game. It's just a question of how badly you exploit the faction's shit and how quickly, after a patch, you discover the gaping holes of bullshit Relic leaves. But either way, it's all BS. The only "BS" in vCoH that was gamechanging was the fast m8 vs a bunker.
22 Nov 2014, 21:16 PM
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Soviets are definitely the lynch-pin to allied 3v3 and 4v4. Maxim, Sniper, and M3 are all necessary to overcome good Axis teams. It also allows US players to stick with their strengths and get Riflemen and light vehicles (Especially M20 and AA-HT) and also focus on getting an ambulance down field, instead of spending manpower on team weapons.
Soviet play is boring for the person playing it, and cheesy to the person who's fighting against it. Allied players must cram limited options down Axis throats, and Axis must leverage strategic options to deal with said cramming.
Overall, balance in 3v3/4v4 is better than most people want to believe.
Soviet play is boring for the person playing it, and cheesy to the person who's fighting against it. Allied players must cram limited options down Axis throats, and Axis must leverage strategic options to deal with said cramming.
Overall, balance in 3v3/4v4 is better than most people want to believe.
22 Nov 2014, 23:35 PM
#3
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USF sucks so just play soviets doesn't seem balanced to me.
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23 Nov 2014, 00:25 AM
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US Forces are not that bad. Well microed Jackson can melt every piece of Axis armor (yet we still need to take it from behind all the time cause of shitty 200 pen). Of course it's way harder that OKW. For example. Jackson is very potent TD but needs a lot of babysitting. On the other hand JT or KT dont need such great micro. M8 howitzer can be a baest but you have to watch it all the time. Stuka has bigger impact and don't need any micro. Just barrage and reverse. Playing Axis is a way easier because you dont have to watch 70% of your units all the time. If you lose sight for a second, your KT probably will stil survive. If you lose it on Jackson or M8, well...
People are talking that if Relic adds Pershing, everyone will be playing with that commander. But what are we seeing now? Airbore in 90% games. Addind Pershing would make 2 commanders useful, not just one like it's right now.
People are talking that if Relic adds Pershing, everyone will be playing with that commander. But what are we seeing now? Airbore in 90% games. Addind Pershing would make 2 commanders useful, not just one like it's right now.
23 Nov 2014, 01:16 AM
#5
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
Key for winning with soviets: CHEESE, if cheese fail, wait and call in cheese.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
23 Nov 2014, 01:46 AM
#6
Posts: 11
It's extremely hard to flank axis tanks from behind with Jacksons, considering they're very fragile, have no smoke, can't fight infantry and face weapons like panzershreks and paks as well as the tanks in question.
23 Nov 2014, 04:49 AM
#7
Posts: 2280 | Subs: 2
Permanently Banned
It's extremely hard to flank axis tanks from behind with Jacksons,
U shouldnt be doing that
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
23 Nov 2014, 05:06 AM
#8
Posts: 1122
Good luck killing panthers without Jacksons.
On more srs note 1 ami player in 3v3/4v4 is mandatory for many reasons. But if you got two... hoho, life ain't gonna be easy.
On more srs note 1 ami player in 3v3/4v4 is mandatory for many reasons. But if you got two... hoho, life ain't gonna be easy.
23 Nov 2014, 06:21 AM
#9
Posts: 2070
WEll u gotta chance if you spam ISUs and maybe some t34/85s for some flanking
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
23 Nov 2014, 07:45 AM
#10
Posts: 1158
Having a pershing that's going to be another unit bouncing round after round with a 49% chance to penetrate is not going to help.
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
23 Nov 2014, 08:02 AM
#11
Posts: 2070
be flexible, learn the timings of important units so you know when to prepare for them, know how to control your units in the first engagement to maximum efficiency, know how to quickly destroy the schwerer hq so the okw player cant bring a fast luchs and produce obers to carry him. i could go on and on and on about this, it would be too long for just this post.
enlighten us here, young master!
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
23 Nov 2014, 09:15 AM
#12
Posts: 4630 | Subs: 2
Having a pershing that's going to be another unit bouncing round after round with a 49% chance to penetrate is not going to help.
It's about armor, health and chances for surviving but if we are talking about pen...
And since we have Strumtiger as stock unit (only 18 made)...
But yea, soviets are a way easier... Sniper, Sniper, Sniper, Guards, Guards, ZiS... ISU.
23 Nov 2014, 16:51 PM
#13
Posts: 1158
Nice pictures, but this is relics world where pumas solo mediums and tank destroyers are destroyed by tanks.
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
23 Nov 2014, 17:00 PM
#14
Posts: 104
Some of my favorite strats involve alot of munition chaches ;-). Lots of grenades in the early game. For some nice wipes and arty call arty calls all game For maximum lolz and to induce the greatest rage quits
23 Nov 2014, 18:13 PM
#16
Posts: 1963 | Subs: 1
tank destroyers are destroyed by tanks.
This is perfectly acceptable.
pumas solo mediums
This is not. Why is it made so in the first place?
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23 Nov 2014, 19:38 PM
#17
Posts: 292
USF in 3v3 and 4v4?
Ade, mein liebes Schätzelein
23 Nov 2014, 20:10 PM
#18
Posts: 2070
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Overall, balance in 3v3/4v4 is better than most people want to believe.
easy to say when you are number 2 ranked and crushing the opposition
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
24 Nov 2014, 23:14 PM
#19
Posts: 395
Panthers and Tigers can be dealt with ISU, IS 2, and Su-85 groups.
In 4v4, a single USF might be better than a 4th Sov for the variety but 3v3, you want 3 Sov. USF is worthless in team games because in team games, axis players can cover each others mistakes very effectively. Much more effectively than the USF can punish them. Conversely, USF mistakes are much easier to punish in team games.
Anyways, the statistics say in 4v4, Axis wins about 60% of the time. So no no, 4v4 is not better balanced than people want to believe (I might add that I would think if the USF was removed or kept to only 1 spot on a team game, 4v4 might be balanced. 3 or 4 USF neuter the allied team).
In 4v4, a single USF might be better than a 4th Sov for the variety but 3v3, you want 3 Sov. USF is worthless in team games because in team games, axis players can cover each others mistakes very effectively. Much more effectively than the USF can punish them. Conversely, USF mistakes are much easier to punish in team games.
Anyways, the statistics say in 4v4, Axis wins about 60% of the time. So no no, 4v4 is not better balanced than people want to believe (I might add that I would think if the USF was removed or kept to only 1 spot on a team game, 4v4 might be balanced. 3 or 4 USF neuter the allied team).
I bought vCoH on January 3rd, 2007.
Still missing the days of vCoH 1.71. It had it's issues, like paks sniping 57s, and the strafe didn't work, but overall, it was probably the most balanced time in CoH history.
OF ruined that. CoH 2 is....balanced in a nasty way. Everyone has an equal stockpile of gamebreaking bullshit. USA is full of early game BS while the OKW doesn't get its BS until late game. It's just a question of how badly you exploit the faction's shit and how quickly, after a patch, you discover the gaping holes of bullshit Relic leaves. But either way, it's all BS. The only "BS" in vCoH that was gamechanging was the fast m8 vs a bunker.
Still missing the days of vCoH 1.71. It had it's issues, like paks sniping 57s, and the strafe didn't work, but overall, it was probably the most balanced time in CoH history.
OF ruined that. CoH 2 is....balanced in a nasty way. Everyone has an equal stockpile of gamebreaking bullshit. USA is full of early game BS while the OKW doesn't get its BS until late game. It's just a question of how badly you exploit the faction's shit and how quickly, after a patch, you discover the gaping holes of bullshit Relic leaves. But either way, it's all BS. The only "BS" in vCoH that was gamechanging was the fast m8 vs a bunker.
24 Nov 2014, 23:28 PM
#20
Posts: 2070
Anyways, the statistics say in 4v4, Axis wins about 60% of the time. So no no, 4v4 is not better balanced than people want to believe (I might add that I would think if the USF was removed or kept to only 1 spot on a team game, 4v4 might be balanced. 3 or 4 USF neuter the allied team).
Yeah itis funny how people who say 4v4 and 3v3 are balanced are the ones pwning super hard. Im guessing they are the extreme minority
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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