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comm_ash
27 Oct 2014, 17:41 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post27 Oct 2014, 15:23 PMMr +
as it is in beta it is usless. the best unit of soviet army is gone forever


I beg to differ, it's not useless at all. True, getting more than one is kind of useless due to the required micro to use the unit, but 1 ISU is still a very good unit. You just need to be able to micro it.
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Spielführer
27 Oct 2014, 17:43 PM
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And it is good as it is! And the Jagdtiger is hit even more by the nerf.
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Nailirie
27 Oct 2014, 22:25 PM
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I agree that something had to be done about ISU/JT, but I'm not sure this is a good approach. Was the problem the ease of use, or the sheer power they possess? I think the latter, but its just my opinion.

jump backJump back to quoted post26 Oct 2014, 15:35 PMJohnnyB
Whoever thinks ISU and Jagd are overnerfed was greatly taking advantage of these abuse machines before. L2 micro.


I do think JT was hit harder than ISU with the change. The abuse-potential is still there, and many people had used them with hold fire (before that was changed) anyway, so the squad wipes will still be there. ISUs will probably be less popular but I don't think they will be much less frustrating than before.
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MoBo111
28 Oct 2014, 00:30 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post27 Oct 2014, 15:23 PMMr +
as it is in beta it is usless. the best unit of soviet army is gone forever


It's not useless at all, it just requires more micro and some sense of knowledge for movement speed. It's still easy to deal high damage to infantry, but it might be harder to oneshot an entire squad. It doesn't shoot on useless targets anymore but on the targets you actually want it to shoot, this might be a buff for it. Sure, it's nearly impossible for any mediocre player to hit a moving tank but now it has a defined role which is a good thing.


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JohnnyB
28 Oct 2014, 07:10 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post27 Oct 2014, 17:43 PMSpielführer
And it is good as it is! And the Jagdtiger is hit even more by the nerf.


I must agree on this one. ISU is efficient both against infantry and vehicles. You have to micro it now, but you can target any unit on the map and do important damage no matter if it's vehicle , infantry, team crew, etc. On the other hand, you must micro your JagdTiger too, but hey, it can be efficiently used only against vehicles. So, again, ISU advantage. Currently, as soviet, I could consider building an ISU (hard micro but high reward), but as OKW, to pay such a huge amount of my 66% fuel income to build something that will be efficient only against vehicles and only if they stand still.... thank you, I'll build a KT / jagdpanzer / panther instead. Or go Ostheer and build an Elefant.
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A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
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Nuclear Arbitor
28 Oct 2014, 10:01 AM
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not if you're facing vehicles.
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Mr +
28 Oct 2014, 10:04 AM
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lol isu advantage when jag has more range, can fire througth building? LoL
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faus515
28 Oct 2014, 10:33 AM
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verry funny when germans fanboys with germans avators was said that isu not ussles:lolol:
isu havent so many front armor/ fire distance/ penetration / fire accros bbuilding abulity and covering by shreks spam and imba infantry
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JohnnyB
28 Oct 2014, 10:54 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Oct 2014, 10:33 AMfaus515
verry funny when germans fanboys with germans avators was said that isu not ussles:lolol:
isu havent so many front armor/ fire distance/ penetration / fire accros bbuilding abulity and covering by shreks spam and imba infantry


English, please.
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
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Specialka
28 Oct 2014, 11:13 AM
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Just to say that Relic is focusing on balancing 1v1 and 2v2. 4v4/3v3 are not a priority.
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Vaz
28 Oct 2014, 11:15 AM
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ISU-152 is not useless. That word is thrown around way too liberally in this community. I won a game in beta yesterday playing random 2's, which i mainly credit to ISU-152. It was Minsk Pocket against 2 okw. We were able to completely surround them, but could not move in on the fuel point they camped all their trucks and infantry on. ISU and JT showed up almost at the whole time, even with what should have been a massive fuel advantage for allies. JT blew my Sherman up by shooting through the damned forest that shapes the map(shot/vision blocker). I never saw it, just my half health sherman suddenly blew up. The guy controlling the assault gun was very smart though. He never overextended and asked me to ensure his retreat path wasn't blocked by my vehicles. He retreated at the right time for repairs. He had good support along his line and took his time taking chunks out of the okw defenses. This guy was one of the few that I have seen use the ISU cautiously like this. Most of the time(even from high ranks) I see people use it like a tiger or panther would be used, which results in swift destruction.

I can't comment on his experience using it, but worthless is the wrong word.
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
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BrutusHR
28 Oct 2014, 12:38 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Oct 2014, 10:04 AMMr +
lol isu advantage when jag has more range, can fire througth building? LoL


Yea, he is right. ISU still can go against every unit on field. And it's cheaper. In this case i would trade ISU for JT any day.
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Aradan
28 Oct 2014, 13:45 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Oct 2014, 12:38 PMBrutusHR


Yea, he is right. ISU still can go against every unit on field. And it's cheaper. In this case i would trade ISU for JT any day.


OMG, we all can see, you have many experience with ISU play.

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Arclyte
28 Oct 2014, 21:33 PM
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remove crew shocks from jagdtiger, and then remove the idiotic shoot-through-geometry "mechanic"

I thought the ISU had a little too much range, but the current change is just annoying
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Frost
28 Oct 2014, 21:42 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Oct 2014, 10:04 AMMr +
lol isu advantage when jag has more range, can fire througth building? LoL


Isu can too but it is special shell for that

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VonIvan
28 Oct 2014, 22:01 PM
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ISU is still useful imo(just not an automatic weapon), now if only we can work on the Jadgtiger and Elefant :snfPeter:
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AchtAchter
28 Oct 2014, 23:35 PM
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THAT VONIVAN GIF WTF :D


lets see whether the isu/jagdtiger changes made it into tomorrows patch.
In the official forums was a vote whether it should go live or not.
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NinjaWJ
28 Oct 2014, 23:51 PM
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Relic made a poll on it in the official forums. Wonder how much they will listen to the community?
jump backJump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 15:19 PMAlexzandvar
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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AchtAchter
28 Oct 2014, 23:56 PM
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I hope not too much. 80 % of the threads are just whine threads created by fanboys.
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NinjaWJ
29 Oct 2014, 00:00 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Oct 2014, 23:56 PMAchtAchter
I hope not too much. 80 % of the threads are just whine threads created by fanboys.


Yes it is quite painful to read some posts there. But what would Relic do if 100 percent of the people voted for the changes/not for the changes? would they change their mind?
jump backJump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 15:19 PMAlexzandvar
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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