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Permanently BannedSome of you said that you can just back-up or run with your tanks and be safe. That is not true.
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
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Stopped reading their.. thier is a VISIBLE circle to witch u can escape from.
it DOESNT matter if the p47 can see you. if ur tanks are out side the circle it WONT fire
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Wut circle?
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
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Permanently BannedI don't see it, do I need IR Luftwaffe Defence doctrine?
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
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The P-47 is fine. Like others said, it compensates for the US's weak late game.
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This is a simple answer for an issue that can far more complex.
Firstly, you are completely ignoring map design, pathing and input delay. Any other callin ability, once you see smoke you can hit retreat, or in the case of atg issue move order and you are relatively safe. If you are slow to react, then you may suffer some casualties or loose entire squads.
The problem with P-47 is mainly map design and tanks propensity to go retard and start doing 360 and getting stuck on objects. Further more depending on where you call the strike it can be possible to simply be trapped with nowhere to go. 6 Months ago a similar debate was had about sov skill plane just obliterating infantry, this is no different and its amazing that relic made same mistake...
Secondly, as ost AA can often be a roll of the dice, shooting down planes immediately or completely failing the entire game. This is why debating and balancing something like this is virtually impossible. RNG is skewing balance..
P-47 should not be left in its current state simply because USA armour needs adjustment. That is just more bad design.
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This is a simple answer for an issue that can far more complex.
Firstly, you are completely ignoring map design, pathing and input delay. Any other callin ability, once you see smoke you can hit retreat, or in the case of atg issue move order and you are relatively safe. If you are slow to react, then you may suffer some casualties or loose entire squads.
The problem with P-47 is mainly map design and tanks propensity to go retard and start doing 360 and getting stuck on objects. Further more depending on where you call the strike it can be possible to simply be trapped with nowhere to go. 6 Months ago a similar debate was had about sov skill plane just obliterating infantry, this is no different and its amazing that relic made same mistake...
Secondly, as ost AA can often be a roll of the dice, shooting down planes immediately or completely failing the entire game. This is why debating and balancing something like this is virtually impossible. RNG is skewing balance..
P-47 should not be left in its current state simply because USA armour needs adjustment. That is just more bad design.
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When p47 is activated. u can see a red circle around the target area. reverse tanks out of circle. THATS HOW EZ IT IS TO AVOID THE P47.
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It's not fine. Just because the area is so large, even you move your tanks far away from the smoke spot, the planes still can damage your tanks. It is amazing that the area is so large.
Compared to other late game aircraft ability like OST fragmentation bombing, the p-47 is OP for large acting area.
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A doctrinal ability shouldnt be a factions only late game ability, that is just bad gameplay design.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Not necessarily, the Late War Germans still had a great many defensive emplacements, like FlaK towers and FlaK defenses just about everywhere. FlaK hit aircraft a lot and air losses were pretty heavy.
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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Well, it will be as long as axis will have 300-525 armor units they use in every single game while USF AT gun got 140 pen up close and USF TD can be 2-3 shotted by everything and doesn't have amazing penetration.
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Not necessarily, the Late War Germans still had a great many defensive emplacements, like FlaK towers and FlaK defenses just about everywhere. FlaK hit aircraft a lot and air losses were pretty heavy.
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Air losses declined considerably over the latter course of the war. The greatest threat to both low and high altitude aircraft was enemy aircraft, which was almost non-existent by late '44 and disappeared by '45. (There was a running joke in the Wehrmacht that went something like: "If it's camouflage it's RAF, If it's silver it's USAAF, and if it's invisible it's ours.")
Flak towers were built in cities and I don't think you can consider them very mobile.
The biggest risk to a pilot from ground attack actually had more to do with how many planes attacked one target. "Tail end Charlie", the last guy of eight or sixteen, would catch the most flak. But even they often survived.
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That's why all these ostheer air raids capabilities against USF are rather unrealistic. But then, let's not forget about Mescherscmidt 262 the best fighter plane in the war. Anybody wants to deny that?
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Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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Wut circle?
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