The overbearing balance of 4's
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27 Sep 2014, 16:34 PM
#41
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BRING LIGHT UPON THE MASSES!!! THE TRUTH HAS BEEN REVEALED!!!!!!!!!
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
27 Sep 2014, 17:34 PM
#42
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Well, if you look at my post on the previous page (RE caches and Opal trucks), then Jagd doesn't become as big a problem, as the OKW player will have to wait a lot longer to get one. He'll also not be able to build other tanks as efficiently. Then the question for the OKW player becomes: "do I dare wait for the Jagd?".
The key to balancing 2v2/3v3/4v4 is to bring the principles of 1v1 into the bigger games. If you make OKW play by the same rules in 4v4 as 1v1, they become a lot more manageable, without screwing up balance in other modes.
In other words, no need to nerf to the Jagd, just make the faction play like it does in 1v1. If a guy manages to get out a Jagd, then their team probably deserves it.
Why, the thing is a win condition. Its like having close the pocket but without having to close it, the moment you have enough resources, you click a button and you win. I don't mind supertanks, I dont mind the tigerB at all. But there is 0 limitation to a jagd, makes no sense. Have you tried winning against 2? Even tiger ace had a 1 tank limitation but there doesnt seem to be any for this supertank.
Any skill that presents 0 risk for their gains is really unrewarding to play against. This is why nobody complains against the pak42, it rapes tanks but you need to aim it, its static, and it takes a long time to build. Jagd? crew gets shoked sometimes when a shot penetrates
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27 Sep 2014, 17:39 PM
#43
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I guess they will have to fix it before it goes CoH2:AA campaign
27 Sep 2014, 18:00 PM
#44
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cLUwwk5-l_rM9_qwQGBykOAd7960Bw2TrpnINSvRW-A/edit?usp=sharing
You were saying?
Delusions, delusions, delusions.
Hory sheet! That OKW 4v4 win ratio XD
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
27 Sep 2014, 18:37 PM
#45
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I'm surprised that 3v3 is the least popular mode.
27 Sep 2014, 18:49 PM
#46
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Where do you get this data from?
27 Sep 2014, 18:54 PM
#47
Posts: 28
Balancing this doesn't have to affect 1vs1 balance. Most of the problems are with late game units, and changes to accessibility are a good first step, I think.
Huge improvement for 3v3/4v4 only changes. Fuel caches can provide greater fuel income at a cost for those who still want to focus on armor in 3v3/4v4.
- Change the maps. Remove fuel points from the larger maps(ones with a lot of regular points to provide fuel income) and/or reduce fuel point value on maps with fewer regular points.
- Specifically for OKW, hard cap the king tiger to one and solve that right away, just as with tiger ace.
Huge improvement for 3v3/4v4 only changes. Fuel caches can provide greater fuel income at a cost for those who still want to focus on armor in 3v3/4v4.
Being the mitylite that I am, doing what a mitylite does.
27 Sep 2014, 18:58 PM
#48
Posts: 2819
I agree that the amount of fuel is really important in the balance of 4v4.
All posts made are about situations in 2v2's. Not a 1v1 player.
27 Sep 2014, 19:10 PM
#49
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I agree that the amount of fuel is really important in the balance of 4v4.
Exactly. But unless the devs recognise the fact, what hope is there? Also, without taking away the communal bonuses from cache's, OKW is always going to be OP. There's a reason they not able to build them, yet in team games, they benefit from any ost cache/opal.
27 Sep 2014, 19:15 PM
#50
Posts: 28
Exactly. But unless the devs recognise the fact, what hope is there? Also, without taking away the communal bonuses from cache's, OKW is always going to be OP. There's a reason they not able to build them, yet in team games, they benefit from any ost cache/opal.
Important point. OKW were designed(stupid) around a limited income. Shared caches remove this key inhibitor.
Being the mitylite that I am, doing what a mitylite does.
27 Sep 2014, 23:47 PM
#51
Posts: 2070
Where do you get this data from?
A community member created a program that takes information from the COH2 leaderboards. It draws infor from the TOP 200 players.
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
28 Sep 2014, 16:47 PM
#52
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Well, updated numbers have been posted and it supports what The Angry Bears have been saying all along. 3's and 4's is really busted.
I hope this community can rally behind an idea to help close the gap.
I hope this community can rally behind an idea to help close the gap.
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2 Oct 2014, 17:25 PM
#53
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Bump
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2 Oct 2014, 17:30 PM
#54
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I agree with Napalm. I don't really care how Relic does it, it just needs to be done. Even if they create a trial voluntary mode for a while.
2 Oct 2014, 17:33 PM
#55
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Yes a PBE!!!
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
2 Oct 2014, 17:33 PM
#56
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PQUIMESH WAS READING THIS THREAD GUYS!!! I SAW IT!!! THERE IS HOPE!!!!
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
2 Oct 2014, 17:35 PM
#57
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screenshot or didn't happen 
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2 Oct 2014, 18:10 PM
#58
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Yea I don't believe it myself.
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2 Oct 2014, 18:45 PM
#59
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an allied 4v4 player never lies and is always honorable
Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
13 Oct 2014, 11:54 AM
#60
Posts: 61
I think you hit a good point when you said how easy it is to ensure that Axis armor survives. I seriously do not understand why Axis tanks have a smoke AND blitz ability while the Americans only have a smoke ability on the m20. And don't get me started on the sherman barrage ability...it's too much to micro.
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