Are USF nades weaker than OKW ones? I rarely kill more than one man with my nades but OKW nades regularly kill 2 or 3 men and always force retreat. I rarely force retreat with my nades. I can drop one on an mg34 without any kills and regularly drop them on volks for no kills.
This is assuming equal nade dodging by the way. I place a nade right on volks or obers or sturms and it just doesn't do anything
USF grenades underperforming
23 Sep 2014, 15:50 PM
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I bought vCoH on January 3rd, 2007.
Still missing the days of vCoH 1.71. It had it's issues, like paks sniping 57s, and the strafe didn't work, but overall, it was probably the most balanced time in CoH history.
OF ruined that. CoH 2 is....balanced in a nasty way. Everyone has an equal stockpile of gamebreaking bullshit. USA is full of early game BS while the OKW doesn't get its BS until late game. It's just a question of how badly you exploit the faction's shit and how quickly, after a patch, you discover the gaping holes of bullshit Relic leaves. But either way, it's all BS. The only "BS" in vCoH that was gamechanging was the fast m8 vs a bunker.
Still missing the days of vCoH 1.71. It had it's issues, like paks sniping 57s, and the strafe didn't work, but overall, it was probably the most balanced time in CoH history.
OF ruined that. CoH 2 is....balanced in a nasty way. Everyone has an equal stockpile of gamebreaking bullshit. USA is full of early game BS while the OKW doesn't get its BS until late game. It's just a question of how badly you exploit the faction's shit and how quickly, after a patch, you discover the gaping holes of bullshit Relic leaves. But either way, it's all BS. The only "BS" in vCoH that was gamechanging was the fast m8 vs a bunker.
23 Sep 2014, 15:56 PM
#2
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Anecdotally, dropping Rifleman nades on support teams will kill 2-3 of them.
It might have something to do with model spacing?
It might have something to do with model spacing?
23 Sep 2014, 15:59 PM
#3
Posts: 395
Yeah it could be spacing with weapons teams
But squads? They do nothing. Often volks squad will go from 100 to 75% with no casualties
But squads? They do nothing. Often volks squad will go from 100 to 75% with no casualties
I bought vCoH on January 3rd, 2007.
Still missing the days of vCoH 1.71. It had it's issues, like paks sniping 57s, and the strafe didn't work, but overall, it was probably the most balanced time in CoH history.
OF ruined that. CoH 2 is....balanced in a nasty way. Everyone has an equal stockpile of gamebreaking bullshit. USA is full of early game BS while the OKW doesn't get its BS until late game. It's just a question of how badly you exploit the faction's shit and how quickly, after a patch, you discover the gaping holes of bullshit Relic leaves. But either way, it's all BS. The only "BS" in vCoH that was gamechanging was the fast m8 vs a bunker.
Still missing the days of vCoH 1.71. It had it's issues, like paks sniping 57s, and the strafe didn't work, but overall, it was probably the most balanced time in CoH history.
OF ruined that. CoH 2 is....balanced in a nasty way. Everyone has an equal stockpile of gamebreaking bullshit. USA is full of early game BS while the OKW doesn't get its BS until late game. It's just a question of how badly you exploit the faction's shit and how quickly, after a patch, you discover the gaping holes of bullshit Relic leaves. But either way, it's all BS. The only "BS" in vCoH that was gamechanging was the fast m8 vs a bunker.
23 Sep 2014, 16:04 PM
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I have no problem with USF grenades. Are good and depend on random gods of this game. 
I want to have the same chance, to win for each side.
23 Sep 2014, 16:04 PM
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Posts: 1617
Rifle nades are one of the worst grenades in the game. Takes ages to throw so even a brain-dead could dodge it and 30 muni/nade......and also costs extra mp and fuel to unlock it, it's not worth it atm.
23 Sep 2014, 16:04 PM
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I was thinking the other way around. Weapon teams tend to clump up around their weapon. Maybe Volks etc tend to stand farther apart, or disperse more on the move, than Riflemen?
Sturmpios always seem to stand very close together. I'd expect nades to affect them more
Sturmpios always seem to stand very close together. I'd expect nades to affect them more
23 Sep 2014, 16:06 PM
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Rifle nades are one of the worst grenades in the game. Takes ages to throw so even a brain-dead could dodge it and 30 muni/nade......and also costs extra mp and fuel to unlock it, it's not worth it atm.
This used to be true, but I feel like they improved this at some point. I feel like they launch much faster than molotovs now - there doesn't seem to be a big wind up any more.
EDIT - I do wish that AT 'nades were unlocked at the same time. Waiting for vet 1 for AT nades is a little unfortunate. Plus, give Rifles AT nades at the game open, they could scare off or kill Kubels more readily.
23 Sep 2014, 16:11 PM
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Posts: 593
Rifle nades are one of the worst grenades in the game. Takes ages to throw so even a brain-dead could dodge it and 30 muni/nade......and also costs extra mp and fuel to unlock it, it's not worth it atm.
they could use a 15%dmg boost I think especially since u need to upgrade with mp and fuel... 30f set usa back a lot. and nades should kill more guys definately
23 Sep 2014, 16:12 PM
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they could use a 15%dmg boost I think especially since u need to upgrade with mp and fuel... 30f set usa back a lot. and nades should kill more guys definately
Or just throw it faster.
23 Sep 2014, 16:18 PM
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Posts: 818
The USF grenades do the same damage as the OKW nades, they even have a better AOE profile.
However i believe OKW nades have a shorter fuse time and mabye throwing animation
The primary reason that you have this belief on the nades though is probably b/c riflemen have a poor formation(which is different for every squad just look at how paratroopers space out in their wedge) And that often leads to clumping up and more people dying. They should probably change the formation
However i believe OKW nades have a shorter fuse time and mabye throwing animation
The primary reason that you have this belief on the nades though is probably b/c riflemen have a poor formation(which is different for every squad just look at how paratroopers space out in their wedge) And that often leads to clumping up and more people dying. They should probably change the formation
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23 Sep 2014, 16:23 PM
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Have you seen what Volks grenade does?
23 Sep 2014, 16:24 PM
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That teching cost hurts my bum.
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23 Sep 2014, 16:50 PM
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Overpriced at 25 fuel.
23 Sep 2014, 16:53 PM
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Rifle nades are one of the worst grenades in the game. Takes ages to throw so even a brain-dead could dodge it and 30 muni/nade......and also costs extra mp and fuel to unlock it, it's not worth it atm.
I stack 3 +7% grenade range bulletins and use them like grenadier rifle grenades >
No one expects the john elway pineapple from half a screen away
23 Sep 2014, 17:21 PM
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right now grenades are the very best base upgrade you can use for the munitions since bars and bazookas are completely useless. Honestly 90% of the reason to tech grenades is for smoke anyway, but I think the pineapple is still good for wiping clumped, wounded squads and winning solo engagements.
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23 Sep 2014, 17:29 PM
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I stack 3 +7% grenade range bulletins and use them like grenadier rifle grenades >
No one expects the john elway pineapple from half a screen away
Oh my gosh. Romeo can you try this out tonight? "Catch this, bitches!"
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23 Sep 2014, 17:30 PM
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no, throwing at max range grenades is very easy to dodge
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23 Sep 2014, 17:43 PM
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no, throwing at max range grenades is very easy to dodge
people expect you to be in grenade range first
23 Sep 2014, 17:46 PM
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people expect you to be in grenade range first
there's still a countdown. I'd rather do this with Mollies than USF pineapples.
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