There is a new bug where if a grenade is ordered to be thrown on any target within grenade range it would force the unit to stop before throwing the grenade.
Prior to the last patch (sep 9/10) it was possible to order throw a grenade on the move. The way to do it is to order your unit to move past the target unit and as soon as that unit is in grenade range order a grenade to be thrown at it. Your unit will not stop and only 1 solider would trail behind the rest of the squad to throw the grenade and then continue on.
Now grenades on the move are not possible and ordering a grenade is like ordering your unit to stop. Note the video is recorded in game and you can see clearly where I ordered my unit to move and how it stops the second I order it to throw the grenade, even though the target is within grenade range.
PS. thanks to Dizilluzion for his help in testing this.
@relic: new grenade bug
17 Sep 2014, 20:17 PM
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17 Sep 2014, 20:23 PM
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There is a new bug where if a grenade is ordered to be thrown on any target within grenade range it would force the unit to stop before throwing the grenade.
Prior to the last patch (sep 9/10) it was possible to order throw a grenade on the move. The way to do it is to order your unit to move past the target unit and as soon as that unit is in grenade range order a grenade to be thrown at it. Your unit will not stop and only 1 solider would trail behind the rest of the squad to throw the grenade and then continue on.
Now grenades on the move are not possible and ordering a grenade is like ordering your unit to stop. Note the video is recorded in game and you can see clearly where I ordered my unit to move and how it stops the second I order it to throw the grenade, even though the target is within grenade range.
PS. thanks to Dizilluzion for his help in testing this.
Yeah I've noticed this right away, it telegraphs your grenades so god damn hard. Is this intended or not?
17 Sep 2014, 20:25 PM
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Yeah I've noticed this right away, it telegraphs your grenades so god damn hard. Is this intended or not?
the lesser evil would be that it is a bug.... lets hope
17 Sep 2014, 20:48 PM
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Update for September 9th, 2014
The following updates to Opponent AI were not included in the notes for Tuesday's update. We apologize for the omission. Those notes have now been updated.
AI squads now move to ability max range before starting an ability. This prevents the AI from throwing grenades at the position the target was at when it started moving to ability range.
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17 Sep 2014, 20:54 PM
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I had this also today in my games. I thought it was strange. Please Relic...fix it!
17 Sep 2014, 21:57 PM
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Yeah, it makes grenades too highly predictable while your troops take casualties by standing in the open.
18 Sep 2014, 03:20 AM
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Maybe they want you to sacrifice DPS for the chance of wiping 2-3 models of a squad? I'd be nice to get this clarified by a Relic dev.
18 Sep 2014, 03:25 AM
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Maybe they want you to sacrifice DPS for the chance of wiping 2-3 models of a squad? I'd be nice to get this clarified by a Relic dev.
That would make a good excuse for a bug ^^ Even the original grenade bug has been there since release.
18 Sep 2014, 03:27 AM
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Or i lied and some change in squad AI has caused this as a byproduct.
18 Sep 2014, 07:13 AM
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I doubt it is intended since Pquimsieh said in a stream that he hated abilities that made units stop moving in order to use them. This was in a Alpha stream showing of the Sherman smoke canisters that ironically do force shermans to stop moving now.
18 Sep 2014, 15:30 PM
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It would be good to get a response from relic.
18 Sep 2014, 21:49 PM
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Is it a bug? I know it's a change but it might not be a bug.
Most units would not benefit from being able to continue to move while throwing a grenade. Only shocks and they're goddamn strong anyway. When they keep moving and throw a grenade, it's very hard to see the animation and know you should move.
I say keep it this way.
Most units would not benefit from being able to continue to move while throwing a grenade. Only shocks and they're goddamn strong anyway. When they keep moving and throw a grenade, it's very hard to see the animation and know you should move.
I say keep it this way.
Let's keep it constructive
1 Oct 2014, 12:41 PM
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Bulgakov, you are so wrong. Of curse it can benefit other units (all of them) because they still can walk to cover insted of stoping in red cover to throw the grenade. Please think befor you write something like that!
1 Oct 2014, 12:47 PM
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Yeah, I don't like this change.
Just being able to throw a grenade and continue moving has a much better flow.
Just being able to throw a grenade and continue moving has a much better flow.
2 Oct 2014, 20:13 PM
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See this is one of the topics that relic should reply to, but they don't. Where is the improved communication? Don't we deserve to know if this an intended change, and if not weather it's being looked at?
2 Oct 2014, 20:16 PM
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I doubt it. I'm pretty sure it was an unintended change to ALL abilities. The sherman smoke no longer works on the move, m8a1 barrage, etc etc.
But hey at least the AI is better now or something
But hey at least the AI is better now or something
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3 Nov 2014, 12:33 PM
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This is still not fixed and i am wondering, is this now intended (because of the cover grenades are more powerful) or will it be fixed soon?
Relic, Cynthia?
Relic, Cynthia?
3 Nov 2014, 12:45 PM
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I don't think it's a bug. I think it was intended, and with the current cover system it also might be required. Grenades can squad whipe easier now, and I don't think this is right. So the compensation is: a little more warning. Bug or not, I actually think it's allright.
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
3 Nov 2014, 12:49 PM
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relic fix ittt
3 Nov 2014, 14:00 PM
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I don't think it's a bug. I think it was intended, and with the current cover system it also might be required. Grenades can squad whipe easier now, and I don't think this is right. So the compensation is: a little more warning. Bug or not, I actually think it's allright.
I would love to hear it from a Dev please so we know for sure!
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