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COH2, The CoD of RTS genre

3 Jul 2014, 09:26 AM
#1
avatar of Arashenstein

Posts: 250

Thanks to Aimstrong who played 2v2 with me to show me the two new armies, i just noticed CoH2 has completely turned to click and play. Call of Duty (CoD) has kinda the same role in FPS games.

All these infrared scopes and secondary abilities for almost every unit is kinda mehhh... dunno what to say :/ in company of heroes 1 i needed to watch expert plays or my own replays to find out my own mistakes or learn new tips from experts to get good in the game but in CoH2 i think i need to pay for new commanders and armies to get to know their units and their counters. i remember i played one 2v2 with spanky ages ago and there was some units from soviets that could deploy from buildings like fallschrimjaegers in CoH1 and we easily lost this game because i had no idea what to do since it was my first time seeing these units. well i honestly dunno if my post here makes any sense or not, i hardly play coh2 since the open beta until now i only have 98 hours game play including the single player story mode. %90 of my gameplay is from the Open beta, but each time i feel like playing this game again there are bunch of units added to this game for cash and i have no idea what they do and what to do against them.

I am not sure if the players love this sort of gaming industry or not, almost every game now has Pay 2 win feature for example look at Battlefield 4 you need to pay for golden battlepacks to gain some extra upgrades on your gun or become premium, or in counter strike we used to download some skins for our guns for free but now the item drops are giving you some skins which costs maybe a cent but on the other hand there are skins which you should pay $300 to get them, and COH 2 is not an exception either for both skins and units we should pay money. what has happened to people? the game its self costs less than these fancy upgrades and we used to have all these things for free in the past, why should we support this ideas? i honestly don't think its the developers mistake. those who pay and support these ideas are responsible. but if players are really enjoying this method then let it go like this, i have nothing more to add.
3 Jul 2014, 09:51 AM
#2
avatar of Flamee

Posts: 710

What a weird post. It is really easy to tell that you haven't been playing a lot if you still claim CoH2 has strong P2W.

This really isn't case anymore because the most powerful commanders aren't the paid ones.

Also what is this that you couldn't learn from watching experts / yourself? At the moment it's most definitely best way to learn because there might be some counter to some units that you really haven't thought of.
3 Jul 2014, 09:57 AM
#3
avatar of pigsoup
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well, you should play more coh2 to judge really. i feels like you are having same problem i have with coh1. i really want to get into coh1 because ppl used to talk (still do) about how great and so much better it is then coh2. But i never do because i am just too used to coh2.

commanders aren't there to be pay 2 win. they are more like pay 4 more options. all imba commanders had been balanced to a great deal. and there had not been paid commanders since november. ppl always complain about commanders over doctrines in coh1 but if it wasnt for commaders, we would have not seen all the new units/abilities added (at least not to the full extent).

and WFA is pretty awesome.
3 Jul 2014, 14:05 PM
#4
avatar of Arashenstein

Posts: 250

well, you should play more coh2 to judge really. i feels like you are having same problem i have with coh1. i really want to get into coh1 because ppl used to talk (still do) about how great and so much better it is then coh2. But i never do because i am just too used to coh2.

commanders aren't there to be pay 2 win. they are more like pay 4 more options. all imba commanders had been balanced to a great deal. and there had not been paid commanders since november. ppl always complain about commanders over doctrines in coh1 but if it wasnt for commaders, we would have not seen all the new units/abilities added (at least not to the full extent).

and WFA is pretty awesome.

thats exactly why i call CoH2 the CoD of RTS genre, can you ever make a CoD fan like a skilled shooting game? no ofcourse not, CoD is alot easier to learn it has no complicated stuff and same goes about CoH2 vs CoH1, i loved CoH1 because you needed SKILL+ prediction + reaction to win a game or atleast survive. but in CoH2 build and click to attack that's all. the problem is people who started CoH by CoH2 will not understand this. developers make the game more easy so more people can learn and more people will buy. these days games are not made for special fans they are being made for everyone, just look around you CoH 2 is not the only one, same goes about battlefield series. you can't compare Battlefield 2 to Battlefield 3 or 4 or the news ones becuase skill is GONE in new games.
3 Jul 2014, 14:11 PM
#5
avatar of armatak

Posts: 170


thats exactly why i call CoH2 the CoD of RTS genre, can you ever make a CoD fan like a skilled shooting game? no ofcourse not, CoD is alot easier to learn it has no complicated stuff and same goes about CoH2 vs CoH1, i loved CoH1 because you needed SKILL+ prediction + reaction to win a game or atleast survive. but in CoH2 build and click to attack that's all. the problem is people who started CoH by CoH2 will not understand this. developers make the game more easy so more people can learn and more people will buy. these days games are not made for special fans they are being made for everyone, just look around you CoH 2 is not the only one, same goes about battlefield series. you can't compare Battlefield 2 to Battlefield 3 or 4 or the news ones becuase skill is GONE in new games.


"but in CoH2 build and click to attack that's all."

Somehow I get the feeling you haven't been all that successful in CoH2. A lot of people not making use of special abilities of units doesn't mean they are obsolete. Maybe you should play a bit more and then come back because CoH2 at higher levels is way more than "click to attack".
3 Jul 2014, 14:19 PM
#6
avatar of nigo
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i loved CoH1 because you needed SKILL+ prediction + reaction to win a game or atleast survive. but in CoH2 build and click to attack that's all.



another CoH1 zealot.



3 Jul 2014, 14:19 PM
#7
avatar of Qubix

Posts: 133


thats exactly why i call CoH2 the CoD of RTS genre, can you ever make a CoD fan like a skilled shooting game? no ofcourse not, CoD is alot easier to learn it has no complicated stuff and same goes about CoH2 vs CoH1, i loved CoH1 because you needed SKILL+ prediction + reaction to win a game or atleast survive. but in CoH2 build and click to attack that's all. the problem is people who started CoH by CoH2 will not understand this. developers make the game more easy so more people can learn and more people will buy. these days games are not made for special fans they are being made for everyone, just look around you CoH 2 is not the only one, same goes about battlefield series. you can't compare Battlefield 2 to Battlefield 3 or 4 or the news ones becuase skill is GONE in new games.


you can't just claim that CoH2 is simpler than CoH1 wtf. Prove it. Both are more/less complex in some ways. You're just like all the other CoH1 players who want to make everyone think that they're the hardcore, elitist, high skilled blah blah strategists because they played CoH1 and CoH2 is for 12 year old league of legend kiddies. The problem of all those CoH1 veterans is that they're so used to the old CoH1 interface, game flow etc that they hate coh2 but instead of admitting it they put the blame on the game itself. There are some exceptions of course like Twister and Daniel.
3 Jul 2014, 14:23 PM
#8
avatar of Brichals

Posts: 85

That's just how the model is. You can face units and armies you don't own. Otherwise the community would be fragmented, and it's not a huge community as it is.

People will find something to be unhappy with always but actually I think this system is pretty good. more info from Relic on which units do what would be better but that's Relic. They like a bit of mystery in the game.
3 Jul 2014, 14:26 PM
#9
avatar of Thunderhun

Posts: 1617



"but in CoH2 build and click to attack that's all."

Somehow I get the feeling you haven't been all that successful in CoH2. A lot of people not making use of special abilities of units doesn't mean they are obsolete. Maybe you should play a bit more and then come back because CoH2 at higher levels is way more than "click to attack".


o.O It's more like APM war and shows greatly the inbalanced stuff. Clearly you can do shit without decent micro at higher levels, but yeah vCOH 2 faction and the requirements are plain dump compared to vCOH, I think that's what the OP tries to point out. It did change since the release, the game is better now.

Buuut!!! Since WFA the game is getting better and better, I think once balanced it'll be coh 1 > coh 2.

Also the p2w system is the past :)
3 Jul 2014, 14:27 PM
#10
avatar of ilGetUSomDay

Posts: 612


thats exactly why i call CoH2 the CoD of RTS genre, can you ever make a CoD fan like a skilled shooting game? no ofcourse not, CoD is alot easier to learn it has no complicated stuff and same goes about CoH2 vs CoH1, i loved CoH1 because you needed SKILL+ prediction + reaction to win a game or atleast survive. but in CoH2 build and click to attack that's all. the problem is people who started CoH by CoH2 will not understand this. developers make the game more easy so more people can learn and more people will buy. these days games are not made for special fans they are being made for everyone, just look around you CoH 2 is not the only one, same goes about battlefield series. you can't compare Battlefield 2 to Battlefield 3 or 4 or the news ones becuase skill is GONE in new games.


Coh 1 was not more complicated. There were still abuses that led to click to play. There was also that bridge problem that plagued the game most of its life time.
3 Jul 2014, 14:31 PM
#11
avatar of morten1

Posts: 368

People are a blind!!! What you dont see in OP is that aimstrong is confirmed back?
3 Jul 2014, 14:31 PM
#12
avatar of Katitof

Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8

So coh1 is good because you need micro and resource management, but coh2 is bad because you need micro nad resource management?
OP....
3 Jul 2014, 14:38 PM
#13
avatar of dasheepeh

Posts: 2115 | Subs: 1

K....so you barely played the game, and every time you play it for literally 5 minutes you see new units that you dont know how to counter?

Hmmm.....what might be the reason...

Oh yeah, you barely played the game. And then you tell us that you had to learn how to use units in CoH1 through expert replays or videos but at the same time you dont play the new game and then complain that you dont know how to use unit x.

WHY
3 Jul 2014, 15:05 PM
#14
avatar of HappyPhace

Posts: 309

I just wanna say CoD1, 2 and 4 were amazing. Never4get. Also you've admitted to only playing it for 98 hours. You have two options here, either give it a chance and play another solid 100-200 hours and re-evaluate your opinion, or move on with your life and don't play CoH2.
3 Jul 2014, 15:20 PM
#15
avatar of KyleAkira

Posts: 410

If you watch for high ranked players streams / SNF events you will find similarities from Coh1 in tactical movements & strategies.

Some units still need a rework but overall the game is getting good, p2w is less effective here but there are a few commanders that will need a rework (It should not be allowed to have good Inf, Heavy tank and arty in the same commander like Elephant or IS2/ISU commanders)
3 Jul 2014, 15:50 PM
#16
avatar of Basilone

Posts: 1944 | Subs: 2

What is unskillful in CoD compared to CS? They are both basically the same thing minus killstreaks perks and weapon customization.
3 Jul 2014, 15:53 PM
#17
avatar of Unshavenbackman

Posts: 680

Plz dont necro threads.
3 Jul 2014, 15:55 PM
#18
avatar of dasheepeh

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Plz dont necro threads.


this thread is new
3 Jul 2014, 16:02 PM
#19
avatar of jacko

Posts: 64

Yeah.. no idea what OP is about, seem to have a very strange attidude when it comes to new content.

Does he realize that WFA was an expansion? Commanders were borderline P2W (new war spoil system makes it kind of moot though) and skins doesn't matter at all.

Calling Coh2 the cod of rts is just factually wrong, everywhere, anyhow. I'm almost inclined to believe OP is trolling.
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3 Jul 2014, 16:02 PM
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SHOUT IT OUT!

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Osinyagov: Suddenly, coh2 is slowly dying, but you can play it, playerbase still big enough
09 Apr 2025, 17:00 PM
Osinyagov: Wow, i remember you from zansi and vali videos, good old memories
09 Apr 2025, 16:58 PM
Beinhard: o7 miss this game and zansi
09 Apr 2025, 14:09 PM
Lady Xenarra: @Willy Pete The lack of April Fools this year is odd lol
02 Apr 2025, 01:34 AM
Willy Pete: @Rosbone not dead yet. when that happens the font will switch to Papyrus :*(
02 Apr 2025, 00:16 AM
dasheepeh: it was an honor guys :guyokay:
01 Apr 2025, 20:34 PM
aerafield: yeah I already prepared my "Can't believe there's comic mode for the 10 daily visitors even on this April 1st" :guyokay:
01 Apr 2025, 20:29 PM
Rosbone: @dasheepeh I guess that means this site is officially dead :guyokay:
01 Apr 2025, 20:19 PM
dasheepeh: no comic sans font for april 1st this year?
01 Apr 2025, 19:56 PM
Willy Pete: @Lady Xenarra this you? https://i.imgflip.com/3e4thi.jpg
01 Apr 2025, 02:53 AM
Lady Xenarra: Does anyone else think that USF needs buffs? It feels like they’re on life support sometimes
01 Apr 2025, 02:36 AM
Willy Pete: @Rosbone Ahh I missed that memo. I still think its a bad decision though. Adds frustration for players and isnt gonna make them that much money
27 Mar 2025, 15:46 PM
Rosbone: It is also good they left it free until after the free to play weekend. Points for that.
27 Mar 2025, 09:34 AM
Rosbone: But I agree, the cost to get a full decent Coh game pushing $115 US is not the best idea. Especially when it needs so much more work for casuals.
27 Mar 2025, 09:32 AM
Rosbone: To be fair, it was a thank you to early fans right? They said it was not free for long and it would become a pay DLC at some point.
27 Mar 2025, 09:30 AM
Willy Pete: Re-releasing free DLC so they can charge new players money for it. Brilliant marketing strategy :clap:
27 Mar 2025, 04:31 AM
Soheil: Coh2 still broken server ?
25 Mar 2025, 18:27 PM
Rosbone: Congrats to Relic. Looks like Coh3 has finally usurped Coh2 s the popular Coh. You smell terrific. :snfQuinn:.
24 Mar 2025, 02:46 AM
Nickbn: and again someone else replies. I mean come on guys. Give @adamírcz a chance
22 Mar 2025, 14:00 PM
Willy Pete: @Nickbn you didn't ask a question, and this is a chat box...
20 Mar 2025, 13:11 PM
Nickbn: @Rosbone it's incredibly rude to speak on someone elses behalf, especially when a question is directly adressed to them. I understand your passion for the subject at hand but I want to hear from him.
20 Mar 2025, 10:16 AM
Rosbone: @Nickbn No, I am just saying people should not be using any Relic owned forum since they have proven they ban anyone who says true things about Coh3.
18 Mar 2025, 19:01 PM
Nickbn: @Rosbone do you speak on his behalf? I didn't know. In that case keep us updated please.
18 Mar 2025, 16:47 PM
Rosbone: #RelicModdedEchoChamber
16 Mar 2025, 17:54 PM
Rosbone: @Nickbn True except, the only people on the Relic Discord/Reddit/Steam are brain washed monkey zealots. They wont even understand what @adamírcz is talking about. Anyone else is banned.
16 Mar 2025, 17:54 PM
Nickbn: @adamírcz might be a better idea to voice this to relic directly than to voice it here, in a shoutbox of a nearly deade fansite #justsaying...
16 Mar 2025, 16:36 PM
webdesign-muenchen-w: @Rosbone it is sick
14 Mar 2025, 22:09 PM
aerafield: @adamírcz aren't the first two disconnects free every day?
14 Mar 2025, 19:26 PM
Rosbone: It is so unlike Relic to punish its fans and community.
14 Mar 2025, 12:07 PM
adamírcz: So, I just got a leaver penalty without even getting onto the loading screen because of the game disconnecting, bravo Relic
14 Mar 2025, 10:45 AM
Rosbone: It is an indicator of the very short sighted capitalist view that plagues any company where leadership does not understand the product.
13 Mar 2025, 20:00 PM
Rosbone: They dont care about Coh3 or Coh in general. They are just trying to grab cash by ripping off the small user base they have.
13 Mar 2025, 19:58 PM
Rosbone: Just making mistake after mistake after mistake.
13 Mar 2025, 19:57 PM
Rosbone: It is clear they crapped out an unfinished game. And are now barely supporting it as they make new smaller games. Coh3 is stillborn. It will be meh for at least another 2-4 years. Meaning they killed the whole franchise instead of growing it.
13 Mar 2025, 19:56 PM
Rosbone: For a thing they could fix in minutes. Literally minutes.
13 Mar 2025, 19:53 PM
Rosbone: If I did play coh3 and was mainly a skirmish player, I would be pissed and probably stop playing. And it has been like this since release. Why? I would not tell my friends to buy a game I am not even playing. Lost sales and angered users.
13 Mar 2025, 19:53 PM
Rosbone: I am just saddened how Relic keeps hurting themselves by not fixing 5 minute things like menus. Why anger users with stuff that could be fixed in minutes???
13 Mar 2025, 19:50 PM
Rosbone: I was wondering why people think I was raging. I think it was when I said "because coh3 sucks so bad". That was not my opinion. Just a general feel from top players/streamers. I dont play Coh3 and have NO opinion of it.
13 Mar 2025, 19:48 PM
OKSpitfire: You can rage as often as you like btw, you usually manage to make it pretty funny.
12 Mar 2025, 11:18 AM
Rosbone: So it was a systemic failure across multiple disciplines and check points.
12 Mar 2025, 04:30 AM
Rosbone: Knowing how companies work, I imagine a new hire making the menus. The API they are using is complicated and things were hard to figure out. But at some point QA or management should have addressed these things. Usually within 6 months of starting.
12 Mar 2025, 04:29 AM
Rosbone: @theekvn I dont hate Coh3 or Relic. I just dont understand how you work on Coh3 for like 7 years and the menu system is worse than if a Programming 101 student made it. Feel free to explain it to me.
12 Mar 2025, 04:07 AM
theekvn: + 33% dmg rear hit was best deal ever.
12 Mar 2025, 04:00 AM
theekvn: KT just need fuel debuf from 15% to 50%, Ele arc of fire- aim time improve and they are good to go
12 Mar 2025, 03:59 AM
theekvn: and please Rosbone,I know you hate Coh3 to the bone due to your drama with relic, Still, Can you give a proper point of view instead of raging ?.
12 Mar 2025, 03:54 AM
theekvn: you rather go 76 to unity Whizbang 2.0 or go home.
12 Mar 2025, 03:52 AM
theekvn: also US tier 4 is 145f and Sherman pen 140 nerf is too much.
12 Mar 2025, 03:52 AM
theekvn: Whizbang lock behind CP, meanwhile stuka is techtree progress
12 Mar 2025, 03:51 AM
KoRneY: @aerafield It's possible that it is underpriced for what it is capable of now, no need to go full retard and take it immediately as a massive problem. It costs 60 more MP than a pz.3 and in 2v2 the barrage can be quite strong.
07 Mar 2025, 19:14 PM
OKSpitfire: I do like that they made the Stuka more expensive instead of nerfing it into the ground though. Found it pretty unsatisfying to use before that buff a while back....
06 Mar 2025, 16:35 PM
aerafield: USF already is by far the shittiest faction in terms of countering blobbing and turtling, now they supposedly have one overtuned tool locked behind a BG and it's immediately a massive problem?
06 Mar 2025, 13:33 PM
Lady Xenarra: I think post-2.0 Whizbang buffs, the price is too low esp since the Stuka got nerfed in cost too. Speaking of which, how exactly is one supposed to successfully dive this Sherman in disguise? Med tank spam running into SSFs?
06 Mar 2025, 12:13 PM
OKSpitfire: A powerful, doctrinal unit that outperforms stock stuff? Colour me shocked! :P
06 Mar 2025, 10:49 AM
Willy Pete: Cool you wanna lose your stock lategame arty too then?
06 Mar 2025, 03:20 AM
Lady Xenarra: WTB Whizzbang for DAK instead of Stuka, 5 fuel cheape, 60MP more expensive and next to impossible to dive. :rofl:
05 Mar 2025, 20:27 PM
Rosbone: It is also hard to expect Relic to help Coh2 when they cant even make working menus in Coh3 yet, 2 years after release and at full price+ for DLCs. Thats like asking a fish to do calculus.
04 Mar 2025, 02:58 AM
Rosbone: But this last patch has made good progress for grabbing players. All we can hope is Coh3 gets to Coh2s quality level before everyone abandons the franchise. Its Relic so they will completely f*%k it up as usual. But its a hope/cope.
04 Mar 2025, 02:55 AM
Rosbone: Relic wants Coh2 to fail so players will migrate to Coh3. It is hard to blame them since Coh3 sucks so bad. It needs all the help it can get.
04 Mar 2025, 02:53 AM

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