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How do you feel about the "Troop Training" ability?
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Total votes: 102
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ilGetUSomDay
30 Apr 2014, 02:56 AM
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I win consistently against any other commander, and I would like to know if it is just because I simply have not adapted correctly.
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ilGetUSomDay
30 Apr 2014, 02:57 AM
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I just realized I was not paying attention when I set the answers and do not know how to edit the poll, I guess just ignore me.
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tengen
30 Apr 2014, 02:58 AM
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It's missing an option: No, it's a dumb idea.
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akula
30 Apr 2014, 02:58 AM
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wait, so the options are as follows:

Yes, it is balanced
No, it needs to be BETTER
or It's just fine

lol!
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WiFiDi
30 Apr 2014, 04:05 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Apr 2014, 02:57 AMilGetUSomDay
I just realized I was not paying attention when I set the answers and do not know how to edit the poll, I guess just ignore me.


i can lcose this or edit the pole but if your gonna make major changes people probably have already voted. :)
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VonIvan
30 Apr 2014, 04:12 AM
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I think it's fine as is personally. Though I am not a fan of it.
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Spanky
30 Apr 2014, 04:49 AM
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where's the option: "it needs to go!" ?
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ilGetUSomDay
30 Apr 2014, 05:08 AM
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I recreated this poll, sorry for my stupidity
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akosi
30 Apr 2014, 05:26 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Apr 2014, 05:08 AMilGetUSomDay
I recreated this poll, sorry for my stupidity



there is 1001 thread about Elite Troops with troop training, why dont you necro one of them? :S
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AmiPolizeiFunk
30 Apr 2014, 06:16 AM
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This is one of the design aspects of "Elite Troops" p2w commander that I absolutely despise. It has no place in automatch or competition.

*fixed your poll answers and reset the votes.
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buckers
30 Apr 2014, 06:26 AM
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it goes against everything that coh is about. i don't like it

inb4 COH1 wehr vet, no, that's completely different.
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ilGetUSomDay
30 Apr 2014, 06:48 AM
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Thank you very much AmiPolizeiFunk!
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KyleAkira
30 Apr 2014, 06:48 AM
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IT would be nice if It only increase 1 vet star per use.

80 mp and 25 fuel for an insta Vet3 squad at minute 1 is crazy.

It's OP when used in mortars and Grens in my oppinion.

I bought that doctrine but I wouldn't mind if they change that ability.
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__deleted__
30 Apr 2014, 06:49 AM
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Too expensive. Useless.
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ilGetUSomDay
30 Apr 2014, 06:53 AM
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My problem with it is that when used the unit dramatically out preforms other units, and when used aggressively the Ostheer player can force engagements (because otherwise all your territory will be disconnected). Granting Vet three instantly also makes hard counters difficult to use. Mortars are good against G43 grens but all of the sudden a vet three mortar pops out and counter barrages them to death allows easy counter play.
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ilGetUSomDay
30 Apr 2014, 06:56 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Apr 2014, 06:49 AM__deleted__
Too expensive. Useless.


Have you ever tried using it early? it cost less than getting molotovs but now you have a vet three unit that easily bends map control in your favor, which after a few minutes pays for itself plus more. Because territory is income, having more map control at the cost of resources is like taking an early expansion in traditional RTS's, it has an up front cost, but it pays for itself plus extra as time goes on.
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BartonPL
30 Apr 2014, 06:57 AM
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In my opinion, this ability should be passive, and unlocked at 3 CP's. Passive ability would provide 25% exp boost to only infantry type units, not vehicles
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Brick Top
30 Apr 2014, 07:10 AM
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I do think its a bit too powerful on mortars as they do not take a lot of damage and hence do not give away much vet. And they become so powerful at vet 3, early game inf battles become very skewed.

Then getting a vet 2 panzer 4 is also really nasty. Though it was nerfed a little bit by increasing the cool down on training. I guess you do pay a premium for vet2 tank.. But it feels worth it to hands down own whatever is on the field at that point.
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pantherswag
30 Apr 2014, 07:14 AM
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I think the problem with the doctrine lies in the fact that its abilities make it extremely potent early game, followed by the Tiger Ace/vet tanks with smoke that is potent late game. Most doctrines are either great early game at the expense of late game, great late game at the expense of early game or mediocre throughout. Elite troops is viable throughout the entire game with the Tiger Ace and vetting tanks.
I think the doctrine itself is the real problem, the troop training itself is alright. Maybe a slight fuel increase to make the fuel setback more noticeable.
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TNrg
30 Apr 2014, 07:22 AM
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Troop training and the whole elite troops commander is everything that CoH 2 shouldn't be.

a) It's DLC

b) It gives the user a significant advantage

Conclusion: pay to win.
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