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1 CP Soviet Elite Infantry

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13 Jan 2014, 03:26 AM
#1
avatar of Jackfrosty

Posts: 63

Does anyone find this largely unbalanced? They just come way too soon and can counter every T1 german unit except for a sniper. With double CP income this means that they will come out before T2 and you will lose map control. The MP drain from them coming so early also screws you until you get a P4. You don't need to really kill anything to get them either. Just shoot a few grens and build a building and there you have 1 CP. They should be pushed back to 2 CP.
13 Jan 2014, 04:14 AM
#2
avatar of lanciano

Posts: 210

And 0 cp assualt grens arent as hard to deal with?
13 Jan 2014, 14:56 PM
#3
avatar of Jackfrosty

Posts: 63

Let's talk about vanilla commanders please... no sense in comparing commanders that you have to pay to get an advantage.
13 Jan 2014, 15:10 PM
#4
avatar of CieZ

Posts: 1468 | Subs: 4

And 0 cp assualt grens arent as hard to deal with?


So sick of this argument...

Assault Grens can be beaten by Cons, gets even easier once you've gotten Molotovs.

Guards/Shocks at 1 CP will completely stomp A Grens.

PPSh will stomp A Grens.

A Grens scale horribly into the mid/late game - while Shocks/Guards scale extremely well into the late game/with vet - the sooner they come, the more vet they're going to have.

Soviet T1 or Soviet T2 can easily hard-counter A Grens. Shocks have smoke grenades to help against MG42s, Snipers can be difficult to use on certain maps and are risky in general, and the FHT is a *huge* investment, comes later than Soviet T1/T2 and is easily countered by a ZiS gun (Shocks are almost always paired with T2, and for good reason).

Guards are usually going to beat Grens, unless the Grens have LMG42s or G43s - this is especially true when DPs and/or the ridiculously overpowered Guard Grenades are taken into account. Also Guards coming so early completely invalidate any use of German light vehicles - this becomes even more problematic when combined with Snipers and/or M3s and in team games. The only thing A Grens somewhat invalidate is Con spam... and as I've already mentioned, with proper Con micro they don't even do that well.

Soviet 1 CP elite infantry is way more of a problem than A Grens are.
13 Jan 2014, 15:51 PM
#5
avatar of nigo
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Posts: 2238 | Subs: 15

they will change that in next patch.

shocks and guards will be 2 CP ;)
13 Jan 2014, 15:58 PM
#6
avatar of Von Kluge
Patrion 14

Posts: 3548 | Subs: 2

There already is a thread on 1cp elite infantry guys, discuss it further in that thread since there is no use in having 2 threads on the same topic :)
http://www.coh2.org/topic/12160/shocktroops-at-1cp
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