Hetzer does not suck; it actually is excellent.

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12 Feb 2022, 17:26 PMKlement Pikhtura

dude, if you can't use p4j, then learn how to play. if you never use it, you'll never understand why people still build it even vs 2 atgs. Just pay attention, never skip the recon with sweeping and cover tanks with the infantry and atgs. My guy, your armor will be gucci after this. Also P4 is harder to kill then a Hetzer and it can deal with medium armor. Just think for a second about this

Wrong.

P4 armor and Hetzer HP values are completely the same and the armor difference is 50 points if you want to look up the stats. And I am not even arguing against P4J tbh I quite like it.

What I am arguing for is that the "meta" of OKW right now is pretty trash and easily outplayed, so using a Hetzer plus 2 raks to stall for Tiger Ausf. B is way better.

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12 Feb 2022, 20:41 PMKurobane

Flame Hetzer is rather useless in my opinion. It is not a bad unit and performs well the issue is that it is not something that you really need with OKW.

Take Soviets for example, if you go for T2 opening or Conscript opening the T-70 fills a nice gap in the anti-infantry department. OKW already does very well with anti-infantry so getting even more anti-infantry through the Hetzer is pointless as it has no utility.

If it had an upgrade to convert it into an anti-tank vehicle or had some form of command aura with it then it would be worthwhile but at the moment the fuel is better spent on other things.

Again with the T70 bullshit. How many times are we going to say the same thing?

T70 is an excellent tank stats wise and for its price. However the SOV faction has become so absolutely dependent on it, it's 99% certain it will pop in a game. Because of that, any decent player will build 2 ATGs and when it pops it will count to 5 before becoming a piece of scrap. Hence, no T70.

It's so redundant that it's on its way to becoming a meme at this point.

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13 Feb 2022, 00:24 AMKatukov

the hetzer is alright because it torches infantry alive, but then you realize that both your standard medium tank (p4) and your nondoc heavy tank are infamously known for obliterating entire infantry squads with 1 shell randomly

making the hetzer pointless in most people's eyes

So P4J has the same target size as a UC, hence becoming a great AI tool right?

Right?