So compared to Pershing Tiger has 30 extra armor and reloads are
if 30 armor was the only thing that differentiated Tiger from M26, Pershing would have been in a great spot. cough..health..cough
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So compared to Pershing Tiger has 30 extra armor and reloads are
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In the Pershing you're basically getting a Panther in tank vs tank, but it fires HE shells at infantry. Panther is a tank destroyer whose anti-infantry capability is purely mg-based dps, so it's terrible against retreating squads/vetted/elite infantry/yellow cover, and has to stay stationary within snaring range to deal damage.
I like how the two or three people complaining in this thread keep comparing Heavy Tank vs Panther as if Heavy Tanks fired only AP rounds and weren't used mainly for bleeding infantry and as spearheads for pushes. It's 99% a L2P issue.
Use heavy tanks vs infantry and not in long-range brawls with tank destroyers. If a single Panther is killing your Pershing (moves faster than a p4, with armour and health of a Panther) or your IS2 (takes an average of more than 1 minute to for a Panther to kill an IS2 by itself), what the heck are you doing with your 15 apm? Just....reverse?
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accuracy of the main gun practically doesn't matter in tank vs infantry fights. in fact, the pershing even has 20% higher base acc than both the tiger and the is-2, but the chance to directly hit a model are still only 4-5%.
what you probably mean is the main gun scatter, which basically determines how far from the target position the fired rounds stray on average. here the tiger is king as it has the lowest scatter out of all heavies, plus it receives a 10% reduction at vet2 on top of that which neither the is-2 nor the pershing get.
and speaking of the is-2, the tank does indeed have the worst scatter out of all heavies, but it's only slightly inferior to that of the pershing and still much lower than that of almost all medium tanks. in fact, the HE sherman has nearly identical scatter to the is-2, and i rarely ever hear anyone calling the sherman an rng cannon.
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IS-2 is unreliable but still has pure stats that make up for it, and when it does hit, it hits hard.
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I'd fix the IS-2's scatter, as that lack of reliability is just miserable. Nerf AI if you must, but I want to consistently do serious damage. Its why the Tiger I is still solid, and consistently picked.
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Its AI is pretty good. While the scatter is one of the worst from heavy tanks, it is still fairly good, definitely better then what premium mediums have. I got my ass handed to me by it in several matches while playing OST.
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I'd honestly say the scatter on the IS-2 is fine. Sure, not every shot will connect, especially while moving, but the huge AoE makes sure you deal at least some damage quite consistently. Though I wouldn't mind a small scatter reduction with Vet just as the Tiger gets... arguably the IS-2 would benefit even more from it.
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The Premium Mediums have GREAT scatter, just worst AoE in the game on slow reloading guns. Built 4 E8s last night and it took multiple volleys to make a squad retreat. While still getting slapped by Panthers. We all knew the balance team intentionally underpowered the AI on those 'generalist' tanks to prevent deathballs.
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Ah, you're right. The P-4J is superb, with great scatter strapped to the 1.13 80 dmg radius. I was thinking the Allied Premium Mediums after the Comet nerf, 76mm nerf, and E8 revision.
The Pershing's AoE is pretty close to the IS-2, just with MUCH better scatter. Fixing the scatter would make the IS-2 similar. Pershing has WORSE scatter scaling than the IS-2, but about 25% less max scatter. As is easily seen at max distance shots. Slightly better AoE strapped to MUCH better scatter makes the Pershing consistently murder infantry and the IS-2... miss.
Give it the Tiger's Vet 2 scatter buff.
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Yeah, I think Pershing could get some love, but I'd rather see a price decrease, because this amount of hp and armor is too little for that price. I used it, like it a lot, but the price stings too much.
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Yep. I dont think a better Pershing is required. Its just kinda pricey for the game state it enters in. A vehicle that requires the worst engies in the game to fix it and is fighting dedicated Heavy Tank Destroyers without the AT to contest them either needs more stats or less cost. The Tiger has similar issues, which it solves with raw combat power and high speex engies (upgraded pios have a huge repair rate). The Damage Reduction helps. Shaving 10-20 fuel off it would probably be all it needs to feel worth it. It slaps inf well enough and the Commander is pretty good in general. Pricing it the same as other heavy tanks doesnt make much sense due to the limits of AI CoH requires and the limited AT in its design.
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Yep. I dont think a better Pershing is required. Its just kinda pricey for the game state it enters in. A vehicle that requires the worst engies in the game to fix it and is fighting dedicated Heavy Tank Destroyers without the AT to contest them either needs more stats or less cost. The Tiger has similar issues, which it solves with raw combat power and high speex engies (upgraded pios have a huge repair rate). The Damage Reduction helps. Shaving 10-20 fuel off it would probably be all it needs to feel worth it. It slaps inf well enough and the Commander is pretty good in general. Pricing it the same as other heavy tanks doesnt make much sense due to the limits of AI CoH requires and the limited AT in its design.