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Fuel or Ammo first?

Rush for Fuel or Ammo?
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21 Jun 2021, 03:55 AM
#1
avatar of mrgame2

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In coh1 and early coh2 days, everyone was rushing for fuel point and building fuel cache.

imo the plays now is for ammo, ya? no?
21 Jun 2021, 08:21 AM
#2
avatar of Grim

Posts: 1096

Cap fuel points then all muni caches is my go to. Much to my allies irritation.

Nothing like being able to use near endless recon and shift queue an entire flank of mines.
21 Jun 2021, 11:32 AM
#3
avatar of JulianSnow

Posts: 321

Well, fuel point first. But the first cashe is mostly ammo.
21 Jun 2021, 11:54 AM
#4
avatar of Lady Xenarra

Posts: 956

Won't matter how many muni (and to a lesser extent VPs) you have if you're drowning in tanks. I see people make this mistake on Steppes all the time and usually the fuel advantage team eventually is just too much. Takes a series of miracles to beat an enemy when they have 2 or 3-1 armor advantage.
21 Jun 2021, 12:03 PM
#5
avatar of Protos Angelus

Posts: 1515

If the muni point is free to cap, send weak combat units to cap it, and send your mainlines to fight around the fuel. That's for allies. So CE and RE cap all the way up to a muni point, while IS, Rifles and Cons go to fuel point. Care vs sturmpios/MG42s on lane-y maps. They can easily push you away.

As ostheer, usually you want your pio to spot (42 sight) as you set up the MG42 and then grens move in.

In 3v3s I've seen a lot of double sturmpios + kubel openings to great effect vs USF. Especially since Rifles are close to medium range as sturmpios, but sturmpios win if they can close in and lose max 1 model.
21 Jun 2021, 12:28 PM
#6
avatar of afrrs

Posts: 3787

all 3 are important , this poll is irrelevant
21 Jun 2021, 13:55 PM
#7
avatar of Grumpy

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Won't matter how many muni (and to a lesser extent VPs) you have if you're drowning in tanks. I see people make this mistake on Steppes all the time and usually the fuel advantage team eventually is just too much. Takes a series of miracles to beat an enemy when they have 2 or 3-1 armor advantage.


Miracles happen when you build mines......
21 Jun 2021, 15:51 PM
#8
avatar of Lady Xenarra

Posts: 956

jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 13:55 PMGrumpy


Miracles happen when you build mines......

Sweeper doesn't exist? In any case with enough tanks it doesn't matter how many mines you have after a point as you won't even keep the muni points or VPs or do anything except sit in your HQ. You kill 6 tanks thinking you've broken their back and there's another 8 waiting for you in a couple of minutes. And another 8 until you have no army left. Their inf force is still intact this whole time mind you.
21 Jun 2021, 17:34 PM
#9
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jun 2021, 12:28 PMafrrs
all 3 are important , this poll is irrelevant


Nah. VPs are not that important as an opening move. VPs are a resource that you only need 1 to win a game. Fuel/Ammo will give you eventually the VPs. This doesn't work the other way round.

Answering OP:

It depends on what you are gonna use your resources first. If you are planning on rushing a vehicle you might want to rush fuel first. On the other hand, if you want a performance boost through weapon upgrade or surprise someone with some mine/grenade, you might want munitions.

Say, you are playing Soviets, you might want first munition as you are generally more limited by mp in order to tech. Therefore you might want to be more cost effective as early as you can with your CE flamer.
21 Jun 2021, 18:03 PM
#10
avatar of Rosbone

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Playing a larger game mode like 4v4 requires munitions for recon and arty drops. Without these you will lose no matter how much fuel you have.

For 4v4 attack fuels. Dont get fuels? Make a fuel cache. After that munition caches are very helpful.
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21 Jun 2021, 18:37 PM
#11
avatar of Pip

Posts: 1594

Won't matter how many muni (and to a lesser extent VPs) you have if you're drowning in tanks. I see people make this mistake on Steppes all the time and usually the fuel advantage team eventually is just too much. Takes a series of miracles to beat an enemy when they have 2 or 3-1 armor advantage.


I still think that stuff like this could be at least partially solved by implementing unit caps of some type. Being able to spam, like, eight panthers is the sort of thing that really ruins teamgames. (That and Arty saturation)
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