i consider "its peers" as units of its class... in which case the T-34 and Cromwell both fall flat compared to the panzer 4 the sherman P4J
And the valentine?
i mean it kinda would in terms of its impact... therefore having a much higher effectiveness/cost ratio since it comes at a time where it had greater impact but that's my take on it...
Reducing the timing does not change the stats of the vehicle nor its scalability.
i did answer the original question...
"Put another way, how much penetration/performance do you think a 90 fuel generalist tank should have?"
"enough to cost efficiently engage the panzer 4 as it was intended to..."
therefore the T-34 should have its penetration adjusted to be able to beat the P4 3v2
Here's how you answered my question regarding how much performance a 90 fuel vehicle should have:
"As much as it needs to."
Well thanks, you've given me zero information on what that entails. As far as I'm concerned, 3 T-34s are plenty match for 2 Panzer 4s.
At long range, the Panzer 4 has a 73.3% chance to penetrate a t-34 and the T-34s a 44.4% chance to penetrate the Panzer 4- a difference of 29%.
2 Panzer 4s will fire 21.8 shells per minute.
3 T-34s will fire 29.5 shells per minute -35% more
3 T-34s will fire ~35% more shells per minute and have a 50% larger HP pool. And this is only assuming at long range. At close range the gap closes considerably with the T-34s having a 66.6%(50% increase) chance to penetrate and the Panzer 4s having an 88%(20% increase) chance.
Now if you think that a ~30% chance to penetration can offset a difference of 35% shells per minute and 50% HP, I'm not sure what to tell you. I am going to run some tests shortly just to see how it pans out.
Edit: Tests
I ran the test some 15-20 times, a few at first were just getting an idea for how I wanted the tanks best positioned. My setup was all tanks at least 30 meters distance, with one tank being in front(but no less then 30meters) to encourage focus fire and all tanks being otherwise side by side.
Of the ~15 or so actual test engagements, the Panzer 4's won 5. Of those 5, only 3 were won through the Panzer 4's just brute forcing to victory, one of them the smoke from a T-34 obscured the line of sight of another and resulted in a 1v2 until the smoke cleared, the other, 2 of the T-34s suffered main gun crits.
Of the ~10 or so T-34 victories, 3 of them had one of the Panzer 4's receiving a main gun crit.
The x3 T-34s have a ~71% chance of at least
ONE shot penetrating on any salvo, the panzer 4's have a ~92% chance at least one shot will penetrate on any salvo but only a ~53% chance that both will penetrate. Generally what ends up happening is that one of the Panzer 4s is knocked out early, and one of the T-34s is knocked out around the same time. But this leaves a 2-1 scenario which greatly favors the x2 T-34s.
Keep in mind this was done at long range which favors the panzer 4s. I did not test it at mid or close range.
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