Power of grenades

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2020, 14:00 PMHannibal

You can make up your mind about that. Heavy gammon and satchels are basically the same, Tommy and USF nades are the same. Maybe I forgot a subtype but that are the most important ones.

Obviously price and fuse times differ. For satchels/gammons they are so long that you should not count of hitting infantry with those.

Personally I'd say the bundle is the overall best one. Long fuse but the large AoE makes up for it. And if your opponent is a little bit too late with dodging it, it does quite a lot of damage. It's exceptional for retreat wipes as well.

Rifle grenade is nice as well, although it is next to useless if you have a well microing opponent. It just often comes unexpected and is easier to pull off in chaotic situations.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2020, 14:29 PMMMX

very interesting! from the graph it seems the satchel/heavy gammon should be kind of binary: it either instagibs anything within its aoe (unless in heavy cover) or does no damage at all. still i could swear i've seen units limp away from a satchel with a sliver of health left. can't check myself atm but is it possible that there is some other sort of damage penalty (e.g. from target tables or such) that would bring the far aoe dmg below the 80 dmg threshold?

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2020, 14:36 PMHannibal

I don't know about special target tables.

But this observation could also simply be explained by small arms fire. The model did not get any damage by the gammon bomb/satchel but by the squad throwing it. I don't think I could tell it apart in the game.

Demolition charges and goliaths are similar, and we recently had a discussion about the AVRE that exhibits the same characteristic of having lethal AoE and then suddenly 0.

I don't like the design of those profiles. There's a huge explosion animation that tears apart the models, but then the guy that stood half a meter further away seems to be completely fine with his life choices. It's so counter intuitive to play and also to just look at.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2020, 15:32 PMMMX

fair point about the observation bias. and i also fully agree the aoe curve, in particular for such extreme cases, isn't very well implemented in-game. a linear damage drop-off to zero between far and max aoe would be much more logical.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2020, 14:29 PMMMX

is it possible that there is some other sort of damage penalty (e.g. from target tables or such) that would bring the far aoe dmg below the 80 dmg threshold?

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2020, 16:57 PMRoastinGhost

There is: satchels only deal .667x damage against enemy infantry. Though I believe the doctrinal Pioneer satchel is still set to deal less damage to axis, rather than allied, infantry. This was an oversight from copying the ability.