Ditch the Sherman Dozer Attachment

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2020, 14:39 PMSuperHansFan

I mean unlike the ost p4 j the doctrine doesn't have a heavy tank sitting at the end.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2020, 14:39 PMSuperHansFan

I mean you could list the ost P4j advantages too over the dozer but that just wouldn't be an authentic vipper post would it.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2020, 16:04 PMEtherealDragon

Personally I'm not a fan of the dozer blade upgrade due to the speed reduction but I think it's fair that the upgrade also increases the target size to match the Armor Company Bulldozer Sherman size since it's functionally the same tank.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2020, 15:04 PMLago

The OST P4J is just a clone of the OKW P4. You delay your P4 a bit and get better armour and scatter at Vet 0. The OKW P4 still beats the same units the OST one does, it just beats them a bit harder.

The 75mm Sherman is the best medium tank in the game, and that's because of its HE shells. It can freely toggle between being a generalist medium and an anti-infantry specialist.

There's a good reason the Easy Eight and 76mm don't get these, and it's the same reason the Panzer IV has better anti-infantry performance than the Panther: it gives you a reason to build both.

So it baffles me why they added an upgrade package that gives the 75mm Sherman the armour and health of a premium medium. The Sherman 75 Bulldozer beats and loses to the same units as the 76mm and Easy Eight, but it does so without giving up its anti-infantry firepower or the basic Sherman's shock timing.

Why did they look at all the Sherman variants and figure "hey, look at all these tanks with their own advantages and disadvantages, let's make one with all the advantages!" This thing only exists because they realised they could stick a dozer on a 75 with an upgrade and wanted to do it.

Strip this ill-convinced upgrade back out of the game. Put the E8 or 105 in its place in Urban Assault. Mechanized is fine with the 76mm.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2020, 17:03 PMSuperHansFan

I disagree, even if I agreed the upgrade was OP I don't think stripping units and abilities people paid for out of the game is beneficial at all. For instance as much as I dislike emplacements I don't want them deleted, just reworked.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2020, 17:03 PMSuperHansFan

But the reality is you're trading mobility on an already slow medium for extra survivability.So there is a trade off

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2020, 15:04 PMVipper

I compared abilities not commanders and is you actually read my feedback on Strategic Reserves Doctrine commander you will see that I was suggested against combining a "premium medium" and a "super heavy".

Even so the commander is not actually that popular and was picked only 3 times in world Championship.

On the other hand mechanized that has access to the dozer upgrade was picked 20 times and was the second most popular commander.


I will leave that list for you make, since it will probably be sort.

Now wouldn't you be allot more constructive if you focused on Dozer upgrade instead of me?

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2020, 17:11 PMLago

Do you think CoH 2 should be replaced by All Units Mod?

Because that's where 'remove nothing' leads.

Some abilities are bad designs, some patching decisions are mistakes.

Making a better game requires being prepared to recognise those mistakes.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2020, 17:30 PMSuperHansFan

So it was used 20 times the whole tournament? Impressive, but the thing is vipper a random number like that is pointless without context. I could point out more (balanced) t34/85s than dozers were built as a rebuttal but without context on games, number of dozers per game, game length, players involved blah blah both my t34 numbers and your dozer number mean very little.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2020, 17:30 PMSuperHansFan

There were also upgunned Sherman's built in favor of just simply spamming dozers which would also say something about this supposedly broken unit that needs to be deleted so badly. If it's so OP then why in many games did players build 76s instead? Maybe because it lacks something premium meds can provide... Like penetration or mobility hmmmm

It's almost as if this tank has trade offs compared to other premiums.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2020, 17:33 PMSuperHansFan

Have all the units in "all units mod" been present in commanders people have paid real money for?

Unfortunately complaining about a tank you don't like playing against doesn't give you the right to delete units customers paid for.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2020, 17:33 PMSuperHansFan

Have all the units in "all units mod" been present in commanders people have paid real money for?

Unfortunately complaining about a tank you don't like playing against doesn't give you the right to delete units customers paid for.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2020, 17:33 PMSuperHansFan

Have all the units in "all units mod" been present in commanders people have paid real money for?

Unfortunately complaining about a tank you don't like playing against doesn't give you the right to delete units customers paid for.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2020, 19:28 PMSkysTheLimit

Customers paid for Windustry and Elite Troops. Didn't prevent them from being nerfed straight to hell

Also correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're arguing in favor of a pay-to-win model?

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2020, 19:21 PMLago

Tell me, where's the Withdraw and Refit ability I paid for?

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2020, 19:28 PMSkysTheLimit

Customers paid for Windustry and Elite Troops. Didn't prevent them from being nerfed straight to hell

Also correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're arguing in favor of a pay-to-win model?

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2020, 15:25 PMSuperHansFan

Is that a unit? No it's not.

Nice backtracking

I guess you feel we should delete the tiger from every doctrine because it was completely broken last patch? This is your logic.

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2020, 15:27 PMSuperHansFan

That's a great strawman you're attacking but I'll just leave you to fighting points I never made.

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2020, 15:27 PMSuperHansFan

BTW the tiger ace is still in the game.

It was just you know rebalanced with stats rather than clicking the delete button if something was over performing.

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2020, 17:38 PMT.R. Stormjäger

I bought Tank Hunter tactics and the doctrine got neutered and salvage was straight up removed. Where’s my refund?