fallschirmjager units are too broken imo

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2020, 10:59 AMMusmula

They just touch you at any range and melt you if you have no green cover. If they are vet2+ they are not killable. One vet5 fallschim can beat like 6 conscripts if behind cover. They are too poverfull and capable of winning just by blobbing. You put an MG, they just BRRRP it. You blob? Nope. UKF and USF have no chance, SOV maybe.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2020, 11:20 AMT.R. Stormjäger

I think all airborne special forces in general need a tone down.

Falls should not have elite camouflage, since it leads to comedic “ambushes” where you see them at the edge of your vision, they camo and then instantly open fire and get a bonus. Getting a regular camo would necessitate more carefully planned ambushes.

Commandos shouldn’t get heavy weapons proficiency or elite camouflage.

Soviet Paratroopers need an overhaul/change.

USF paras need a tone down. LMG paras having fire superiority is too much, I’d rather see it replaced at vet 3 with a reinforcement beacon or at vet 3 with M6 mines, and Thompson paratroopers should only get 4 or 5 Thompsons.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2020, 11:27 AMZeroZeroNi

Para's do only get 4 thompsons just like rangers though.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2020, 11:29 AMT.R. Stormjäger

This is what happens when I never use them lol

In that case I guess they’re fine.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2020, 11:20 AMT.R. Stormjäger

I think all airborne special forces in general need a tone down.

Falls should not have elite camouflage, since it leads to comedic “ambushes” where you see them at the edge of your vision, they camo and then instantly open fire and get a bonus. Getting a regular camo would necessitate more carefully planned ambushes.

Commandos shouldn’t get heavy weapons proficiency or elite camouflage.

Soviet Paratroopers need an overhaul/change.

USF paras need a tone down. LMG paras having fire superiority is too much, I’d rather see it replaced at vet 3 with a reinforcement beacon or at vet 3 with M6 mines.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2020, 11:56 AMMusmula

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Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2020, 12:04 PMT.R. Stormjäger

It’s a l2p issue. Facing special forces with mainlines, just like MGs with mainlines, is a skill you'll develop as you get more experienced and skilled.

As for Falls elite camo is really the only super annoying thing about them that could potentially change, but it doesn’t seem like they’ll be touched. In my view that’s fine, since they’re not exactly in a good doctrine and Tiger is a must for OKW atm.

In general I stand by my assessment of all airborne special forces, they could all use a slight tone down.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2020, 12:36 PMJae For Jett

I'll assume by "elite camo" you mean the moving camo that commandos, snipers, and stormtroopers use... Which falls don't have.

I don't know if I should be frustrated or glad that half of the points brought up in the balance section are just straight up factual misinformation...

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2020, 12:36 PMJae For Jett

I'll assume by "elite camo" you mean the moving camo that commandos, snipers, and stormtroopers use... Which falls don't have.

I don't know if I should be frustrated or glad that half of the points brought up in the balance section are just straight up factual misinformation...

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2020, 12:08 PMMusmula

Idk having a unit that can outperform every other inf in the game is bad from my point of view. I may be new but i can still see that 4 fals beat 4 commandos or paras in any game. They are a lot more versitile. Have strong grenades, smoke and faust. 4LMGs and camo. Other units have no such things. Plus valiant assault in that doctrine and the air support. Really a bad time for Allies if they get pushed back 2 times it is a lost game in most of my cases because now they have tanks too.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2020, 12:46 PMT.R. Stormjäger

https://youtu.be/lj2_ggKW5AU

26 mins, Falls are in cover camouflaged and stay camouflaged while moving and vaulting over the sandbags. Compare it to Ostheer camouflage for infantry and MGs that need to stay still and you can see how great Falls’ camouflage is. There’s a chance Elite camouflage has another requirement, so I’m making sure everyone understands what i mean.

Also like I said, I personally think Falls are fine. They are stronger than they have a right to be potentially, but their doctrine is bad so it evens out.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2020, 13:44 PMSelvy289

Vet 2 allows falls to move in camo while still in cover.

Paratroopers are fine in my opinion, large squad but a fair target size and their upgrades are not cheap (90 for tompsons and 120 for M1911s).

Commandos are very expensive and only excel at close range, for example their stems have the accuracy of RE at mid range to give you an idea. Equipping them with brens basically means all damage would be done by those weapons alone and goes against what they are designed to do. Also have low vet bonuses which further means they need to hug infantry.

I find falls fine, valiant assault not fine. I Just hate seeing a surge of falls with valiant assault melting infantry, its disgusting.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2020, 13:54 PMAarotron

It could help if ambush bonus could be set on time that you need to stsy camoed for prolonged period of time, so you just cant walk over craters and have bonus around the clock.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2020, 14:16 PMMusmula

https://youtu.be/sJxlOmhTkm0?t=1011

They are like shock troops but on all ranges