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  • [00:00:04] Frost: glhf
  • [00:00:14] RtN.Hector: same
  • [00:00:21] RtN.Hector: maybe.i.should.wish.you.luck
  • [00:00:24] RtN.Hector: then.you.get.some
  • [00:00:32] Frost: it wont help :DDD
  • [00:01:42] RtN.Hector: wtf.they.are.doing
  • [00:01:51] RtN.Hector: gg.mg
  • [00:01:52] Frost: idk
  • [00:01:56] RtN.Hector: 10/10.would.buy.again
  • [00:02:03] Frost: Kappa
  • [00:03:06] RtN.Hector: love.house.there
  • [00:03:16] Frost: yeah its pathetic
  • [00:03:54] RtN.Hector: ghostwire.no
  • [00:05:08] RtN.Hector: lol
  • [00:06:56] RtN.Hector: thathmg
  • [00:07:04] Frost: yeah
  • [00:07:10] Frost: thanks for wishing me a luck :D
  • [00:07:44] RtN.Hector: :P
  • [00:07:50] Frost: syupied me
  • [00:10:12] RtN.Hector: nein
  • [00:13:21] RtN.Hector: those.minni.nukes
  • [00:15:45] RtN.Hector: best.teller.ever
  • [00:16:27] Frost: post thir replay
  • [00:16:31] RtN.Hector: will
  • [00:16:34] Frost: to show te bug
  • [00:17:02] RtN.Hector: kappaclaus
  • [00:17:05] Frost: wtf
  • [00:19:26] RtN.Hector: best.nuke.ever
  • [00:19:27] RtN.Hector: :D
  • [00:19:31] Frost: Kappa
  • [00:19:38] RtN.Hector: its.broken.grenade
  • [00:19:43] RtN.Hector: like.bundel
  • [00:19:45] Frost: same as bundle
  • [00:19:49] Frost: its fine for me
  • [00:19:49] RtN.Hector: but.cheaper
  • [00:19:57] Frost: ah
  • [00:19:58] Frost: shiet
  • [00:20:00] Frost: its 35
  • [00:20:01] Frost: lul
  • [00:20:06] RtN.Hector: you.see?
  • [00:20:11] RtN.Hector: must.cost.45
  • [00:21:07] RtN.Hector: clapping
  • [00:21:48] Frost: best blitzkreig ever
  • [00:22:00] RtN.Hector: well.it.was.quick
  • [00:22:07] Frost: sure it was
  • [00:22:19] Frost: thats why the called it blitzkreig
  • [00:22:26] RtN.Hector: ._.
  • [00:23:57] RtN.Hector: :P
  • [00:25:03] RtN.Hector: at.least.wiped.is
  • [00:25:07] RtN.Hector: whitch.is.nice
  • [00:25:09] Frost: ye
  • [00:25:21] Frost: jkesus
  • [00:26:00] RtN.Hector: lelefant
  • [00:26:08] Frost: see :P
  • [00:27:25] RtN.Hector: ???
  • [00:27:30] Frost: saw the teller
  • [00:27:57] RtN.Hector: omg
  • [00:27:59] Frost: lul
  • [00:28:01] RtN.Hector: they.pen.like.crazy
  • [00:28:02] RtN.Hector: wow
  • [00:28:10] Frost: truly op
  • [00:28:18] RtN.Hector: this.was.op
  • [00:28:29] RtN.Hector: even.schreck.cannot.do.that
  • [00:28:34] Frost: yeah
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7 Jan 2017, 20:03 PM
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Frost
7 Jan 2017, 20:35 PM
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Yeah, teller explode under Centaur and didn't make any damage. Around 15 min

And 4 piats almost solo knocked out a Elephant which couldn't even escape to his mobility and PIATs range

This's WBP 1,4 for sure

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8 Jan 2017, 16:47 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post7 Jan 2017, 20:35 PMFrost

And 4 piats almost solo knocked out a Elephant which couldn't even escape to his mobility and PIATs range


I am not convinced that the title of the replay actually corresponds with the content of the replay.

4 PIATs already vaporise Elefants in the live version. It takes 18 hits, regardless of penetration or not to kill any heavy tank due to the insane deflection damage. Thus, that Elefant would have vapourized way earlier with live version PIATs than the PIATs you tried.

4 PIATs can deal up to 400 damage, if all of them penetrate. The reason why Hector's Elefant evaporated so quickly is because it was facing its rear on the PIATs; bad move.

Live version PIAT range: 45
WBP PIAT range: 30

Now that's what the theory says.

Practice says I did some significant messing with damage values to fix veterancy issues. I did a recheck, and I couldn't find anything that indicates a bug. However, do keep your eyes open, because there might be one.
You have a great idea that improves the QoL aspects of the game? Please, drop your idea here:
https://www.coh2.org/topic/57860/some-qol-suggestions

Check out Cruzz's DPS calculator:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7gwy65JLbSRMEJ3M2ZPandMMW8/view?usp=sharing
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8 Jan 2017, 17:10 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post8 Jan 2017, 16:47 PMMr.Smith


I am not convinced that the title of the replay actually corresponds with the content of the replay.

4 PIATs already vaporise Elefants in the live version. It takes 18 hits, regardless of penetration or not to kill any heavy tank due to the insane deflection damage. Thus, that Elefant would have vapourized way earlier with live version PIATs than the PIATs you tried.

4 PIATs can deal up to 400 damage, if all of them penetrate. The reason why Hector's Elefant evaporated so quickly is because it was facing its rear on the PIATs; bad move.

Live version PIAT range: 45
WBP PIAT range: 30

Now that's what the theory says.

Practice says I did some significant messing with damage values to fix veterancy issues. I did a recheck, and I couldn't find anything that indicates a bug. However, do keep your eyes open, because there might be one.



You didn´t saw that teller bug when centaur pushed too far was almost dead to pak fire, reversed throught teller, teller exploded but did no damage?

Also do you want to tell me that 4 PIATS whitch cost 200 munnition and can be equiped to 210 mp 5 member squads are balanced when they kill kingtiger (one of strongest tanks in game) in same time as 4 schrecks that cost 240 munnition and are on 2 340mp 4 member squads ? In tests zooks took out tiger in 50% more time than schrecks/zooks.

Something had to be done with piats, yes they may be fine against lights when you can kite them, but lategame kiting with heavy tanks while you are under comet fire as well isn´t that easy.
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8 Jan 2017, 17:17 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post8 Jan 2017, 17:10 PM__deleted__



You didn´t saw that teller bug when centaur pushed too far was almost dead to pak fire, reversed throught teller, teller exploded but did no damage?

Also do you want to tell me that 4 PIATS whitch cost 200 munnition and can be equiped to 210 mp 5 member squads are balanced when they kill kingtiger (one of strongest tanks in game) in same time as 4 schrecks that cost 240 munnition and are on 2 340mp 4 member squads ? In tests zooks took out tiger in 50% more time than schrecks/zooks.

Something had to be done with piats, yes they may be fine against lights when you can kite them, but lategame kiting with heavy tanks while you are under comet fire as well isn´t that easy.


If the KingTiger is exposing its ass 100% of the time, it should die. That's what the Elefant was doing. If the Elefant was facing the front, it would take 1/4 damage max. We've nerfed the insane PIAT deflection damage in the mod.

You have a great idea that improves the QoL aspects of the game? Please, drop your idea here:
https://www.coh2.org/topic/57860/some-qol-suggestions

Check out Cruzz's DPS calculator:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7gwy65JLbSRMEJ3M2ZPandMMW8/view?usp=sharing
(Download the file, open it with your browser)
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8 Jan 2017, 17:29 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post8 Jan 2017, 17:17 PMMr.Smith


If the KingTiger is exposing its ass 100% of the time, it should die. That's what the Elefant was doing. If the Elefant was facing the front, it would take 1/4 damage max. We've nerfed the insane PIAT deflection damage in the mod.



Kingtiger wasn´t facing his ass. We did front armor tests, not back armor. Do these tests yourself as well if you don´t believe me.

Buy 2 engi with 4 piats, remove kt gun and fire
Buy 2 pgrens with 4 schrecs, remove kt gun fire

You will see that times for both are almost the same (5 second diffrence)

Then try with zooks on frontal armor. Difference is much bigger there.

Once again, we weren´t shoting at tigers ass
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8 Jan 2017, 17:45 PM
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PIATs do deal 25% more damage than bazookas, to account for shorter range and lack of snares for the Brit faction.

PIATs have identical penetration to bazookas, but for equal range. This means that if you used attack-move to compare bazooka/PIAT damage, it might be that you were firing your bazookas from further on. That means lower penetration.

I'll have to recheck for myself, so thanks for bringing this up.
You have a great idea that improves the QoL aspects of the game? Please, drop your idea here:
https://www.coh2.org/topic/57860/some-qol-suggestions

Check out Cruzz's DPS calculator:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7gwy65JLbSRMEJ3M2ZPandMMW8/view?usp=sharing
(Download the file, open it with your browser)
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8 Jan 2017, 17:56 PM
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My mistake. PIATs still fire a lot faster than bazookas, which I don't think is the intended design (alpha strike should make up for range, probably not reload time as well). Thanks for persevering.

We will be addressing this in WBPv1.5
You have a great idea that improves the QoL aspects of the game? Please, drop your idea here:
https://www.coh2.org/topic/57860/some-qol-suggestions

Check out Cruzz's DPS calculator:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7gwy65JLbSRMEJ3M2ZPandMMW8/view?usp=sharing
(Download the file, open it with your browser)
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8 Jan 2017, 19:23 PM
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We fired all weapons at same ranges by placing squads in almost same place and also doing the same with kt.

Finally you can understand they are stong against heavies ;)
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