Domination until ISU
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If anyone is in doubt about the ISU, take a look. Soviet player said "go and whine about it on the forum". I think it's not whining, it's a legitimate complaint.
Absolute domination EDIT (have to concede it wasn't total domination. But still in control) vs 2 soviets until the ISU appears.
Panther flank? Mines + 4 AT guns.
Jagdpanzer? nonono...
As OKW you either get good AT or good artillery, you can't have both. Vs 2x Soviets with their support teams, you can micro like a boss but once the ISU comes... Delete Delete Delete...
Lower range has only meant Soviet players have learned to support the ISU a little. It is still a ridiculous unit.
(For everyone complaining about the Jagd, take a look and see how feasible it is to build a Jagd even when you've had good map control)
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I don't see your total domination, in fact the soviets seemed to have 2x fuel more often than you. Yes you had most of the map 1 minute before the ISU came out but your teammate was struggling all game long and had a measly army even before the ISU hit.
You went with a panther and then complain about it being hard getting an jagdtiger? Would you tech to a panther and then expect to just pull out an elefant as ostheer? You made a bad teching choice. Puma's fulfill the early TD role much better than a panther ever will because of their accessibility.
When the ISU hits you NEED to play aggressive, so when you go in , send your infantry as well! First time when you poked with the Panther he only had atguns there, your fusiliers could have cleared it. coordination with your ally could have been better as well, jadpanzer could have gotten some tasty rear shots on the isu the first flank.
Oh and scores don't mean anything. Axis players will always have higher damage due to faction design.
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"I don't see your total domination" - you're right, it wasn't total. That was hyperbole. I still say we had the upper hand.
What I should have said was that I killed several full squads and lost only a field gun that I recrewed.
"First time when you poked with the Panther he only had atguns there, your fusiliers could have cleared it."
I partly agree. I would love to walk into an ISU held area with infatry to take out the AT. That is the CoH dream! The point is that you can't! WIPE WIPE WIPE.
Things I don't agree with:
"Amount of damage is always higher on Axis side. This is down to faction design"
Number of kills, yes. Amount of damage - no. Damage is a very accurate indicator of performance regardless of which faction you play.
"(Panther) You made a bad teching choice. Puma's fulfill the early TD role much better than a panther"
I didn't need Pumas because there were no early tanks from them. Pumas vs several AT weapons is also a bad teching choice.
Puma vs Kv8? Come on...
They didn't have 2x fuel more often than us. But we weren't totally dominting as you pointed out.
I had 17 stars of vet on my units compared to 11 and 13 on theirs when the ISU arrived. At this moment they held just 3 sector points, no fuel and 1 VP in the middle. This is at 21 minutes.
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I just played a 2on2 in Minsk. We didn't have ISU's but saw a very early JagD and Panther from OKW. They not only had ubersoldiers running around but tons of barrage weapons. Also...the nail in the coffin Stukah that decimates entire teams in the base which is always a nice touch. No ISU would have saved us. Granted I was US. So at best we could have had 1 ISU and some Artillery tanks but those bounce of the JagDtiger. Couldn't flank him either because of the flank cannon perfectly placed. Everything we did was a waste of time. Zooks....did nothing. Just death.... non stop. Try and bait us into barrages...early. From my perspective whenever I play OKW I'm never allowed to get THAT dominant but the potential is so much greater than the Soviets or US. It almost benefits the OKW if the US use Zooks because if you drop them, they get put into the hands of the ubers...then nothing is safe...not inf, not tanks...nothing. US should have at least an ISU type tank. They got nothing that would pull out a win if you are down in the dumps.
Bazooka's are more like PTRS than actual panzershrecks. They should not be your main AT. WHenever im playing against US who gets zooks on all his squads in happy because it means I have the infantry advantage. 30cals/bars are much better on infantry with the great 60range Jacksons US has.
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OKW already has a desperate need for resources because they get reduced fuel and ammo income compared to other factions, and waiting to get that jagdtiger out mean you got to sacrifice alot of valuable fuel which can actualy cost you early or mid games. People found out again how to use ISU, i'm seeing it every game now again when i play vs soviets, that unit needs to be nerved back to stoneage, its the biggest gamebreaker since months.
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A lot of the time it will feel like you were dominating until the ISU came out, but that's because he was banking 260 fuel and 720 manpower.
The Tiger costs ALMOST the same resources, but isn't as game changing as the ISU. Just because he was banking on that much resources doesn't guarantee a turn around. The ISU clearly needs to be looked at, it's a broken unit.
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