Domination until ISU

Please note the high veterancy on my units. I did not achieve this by playing badly. I outscored both soviet players by 30%.



If anyone is in doubt about the ISU, take a look. Soviet player said "go and whine about it on the forum". I think it's not whining, it's a legitimate complaint.


Absolute domination EDIT (have to concede it wasn't total domination. But still in control) vs 2 soviets until the ISU appears.

Panther flank? Mines + 4 AT guns.
Jagdpanzer? nonono...



As OKW you either get good AT or good artillery, you can't have both. Vs 2x Soviets with their support teams, you can micro like a boss but once the ISU comes... Delete Delete Delete...

Lower range has only meant Soviet players have learned to support the ISU a little. It is still a ridiculous unit.

(For everyone complaining about the Jagd, take a look and see how feasible it is to build a Jagd even when you've had good map control)

I'll begin with saying that I don't like the design of ISU, ele and other "boss" units but they are far from beatable. Double OKW especially seems to struggle against ISU because you have a harder time punishing people who wait for call ins because of a lack of AI tanks, but you could definitely have won

I don't see your total domination, in fact the soviets seemed to have 2x fuel more often than you. Yes you had most of the map 1 minute before the ISU came out but your teammate was struggling all game long and had a measly army even before the ISU hit.

You went with a panther and then complain about it being hard getting an jagdtiger? Would you tech to a panther and then expect to just pull out an elefant as ostheer? You made a bad teching choice. Puma's fulfill the early TD role much better than a panther ever will because of their accessibility.

When the ISU hits you NEED to play aggressive, so when you go in , send your infantry as well! First time when you poked with the Panther he only had atguns there, your fusiliers could have cleared it. coordination with your ally could have been better as well, jadpanzer could have gotten some tasty rear shots on the isu the first flank.

Oh and scores don't mean anything. Axis players will always have higher damage due to faction design.

Thanks for watching! Yes, you've made some good points. I agree with:

"I don't see your total domination" - you're right, it wasn't total. That was hyperbole. I still say we had the upper hand.

What I should have said was that I killed several full squads and lost only a field gun that I recrewed.

"First time when you poked with the Panther he only had atguns there, your fusiliers could have cleared it."

I partly agree. I would love to walk into an ISU held area with infatry to take out the AT. That is the CoH dream! The point is that you can't! WIPE WIPE WIPE.



Things I don't agree with:

"Amount of damage is always higher on Axis side. This is down to faction design"
Number of kills, yes. Amount of damage - no. Damage is a very accurate indicator of performance regardless of which faction you play.


"(Panther) You made a bad teching choice. Puma's fulfill the early TD role much better than a panther"
I didn't need Pumas because there were no early tanks from them. Pumas vs several AT weapons is also a bad teching choice.

Puma vs Kv8? Come on...


They didn't have 2x fuel more often than us. But we weren't totally dominting as you pointed out.



I had 17 stars of vet on my units compared to 11 and 13 on theirs when the ISU arrived. At this moment they held just 3 sector points, no fuel and 1 VP in the middle. This is at 21 minutes.

I just played a 2on2 in Minsk. We didn't have ISU's but saw a very early JagD and Panther from OKW. They not only had ubersoldiers running around but tons of barrage weapons. Also...the nail in the coffin Stukah that decimates entire teams in the base which is always a nice touch. No ISU would have saved us. Granted I was US. So at best we could have had 1 ISU and some Artillery tanks but those bounce of the JagDtiger. Couldn't flank him either because of the flank cannon perfectly placed. Everything we did was a waste of time. Zooks....did nothing. Just death.... non stop. Try and bait us into barrages...early. From my perspective whenever I play OKW I'm never allowed to get THAT dominant but the potential is so much greater than the Soviets or US. It almost benefits the OKW if the US use Zooks because if you drop them, they get put into the hands of the ubers...then nothing is safe...not inf, not tanks...nothing. US should have at least an ISU type tank. They got nothing that would pull out a win if you are down in the dumps.

I just played a 2on2 in Minsk. We didn't have ISU's but saw a very early JagD and Panther from OKW. They not only had ubersoldiers running around but tons of barrage weapons. Also...the nail in the coffin Stukah that decimates entire teams in the base which is always a nice touch. No ISU would have saved us. Granted I was US. So at best we could have had 1 ISU and some Artillery tanks but those bounce of the JagDtiger. Couldn't flank him either because of the flank cannon perfectly placed. Everything we did was a waste of time. Zooks....did nothing. Just death.... non stop. Try and bait us into barrages...early. From my perspective whenever I play OKW I'm never allowed to get THAT dominant but the potential is so much greater than the Soviets or US. It almost benefits the OKW if the US use Zooks because if you drop them, they get put into the hands of the ubers...then nothing is safe...not inf, not tanks...nothing. US should have at least an ISU type tank. They got nothing that would pull out a win if you are down in the dumps.

Bazooka's are more like PTRS than actual panzershrecks. They should not be your main AT. WHenever im playing against US who gets zooks on all his squads in happy because it means I have the infantry advantage. 30cals/bars are much better on infantry with the great 60range Jacksons US has.

I totaly agree, the ISU is still a ridicilous unit. Especialy when played vs OKW. ISU supported by AT and Guards is a nightmare to deal with. The only real counter you would say is an Jagdtiger, but that thing simply costs way too much. i mean c'mon 290 fuel?? what a joke.
OKW already has a desperate need for resources because they get reduced fuel and ammo income compared to other factions, and waiting to get that jagdtiger out mean you got to sacrifice alot of valuable fuel which can actualy cost you early or mid games. People found out again how to use ISU, i'm seeing it every game now again when i play vs soviets, that unit needs to be nerved back to stoneage, its the biggest gamebreaker since months.

The problem in this game was the soviets did too much dmg to your partner. He had like 5 pop at the end of the game compared to your 80+ pop. Essentially he got decimated. Had you guys kept the OKW buildings closer to the base and out of harms way I think you'd have fared better. You can't go and lose all those buildings and not feel it. You'd have won if you had the Jag and your bud made a stukah probably to take out all that AT. That's at least how I 've lost as Soviets. They make an early Stukah for the maxims and AT guns and boom....OKW moves in for the kill. Plus, no ubersoldiers?

This unit is clearly super imba. And to make matters worse it requires almost no micro and strategic insight to squadwipe all of the opponents vet 3's. Combine this unit with a good player and you are "gg wp" in 95 % of all matches. What a joke. This super villain unit has to go or get nerfed in every aspect.

Don't agree. I've had a game where my mate had ISU and the other team broke out a King Tiger and ACE near the same time....guess who beat the ISU (2 of them) and multiple M10s and 105mm Shermans. Ace took a full blown bombing run and left with a sliver of DMG, went into base. Healed up... came back 100%. THEN...ISU was bouncing off King Tiger. From there...there was the walking stuhak bombing AT guns and maxims....once those are all dead....easy as pie germ win.

If sov team have support weapons past 15m in the game its you damn fault. Rushed walking stuka arives by 6-7m and since it arrival you can forget about existence of at guns and maxims. Then jagdtiger just rapes isu. There is close to 0 what soviets can do against it if okw player knows how to position jagdiger and plays safe. And even without jgdtiger axis still have pak 43 (which beyond op with vet 5 which it gets in no time), elefant and kt which is almost impenetrable to isu. Heck, even 3 pumas can easy flank and kill SUPPORTED isu.

A lot of the time it will feel like you were dominating until the ISU came out, but that's because he was banking 260 fuel and 720 manpower.

A lot of the time it will feel like you were dominating until the ISU came out, but that's because he was banking 260 fuel and 720 manpower.

The Tiger costs ALMOST the same resources, but isn't as game changing as the ISU. Just because he was banking on that much resources doesn't guarantee a turn around. The ISU clearly needs to be looked at, it's a broken unit.

playing dbl OKW is like suicide. Point is that OKW is so much broken, they are like combining PE and brits from CoH1 but sadly this faction isn't special in anything, most valuable unit for them is this little howitzer, he's doing most damage

Oh Bulgakov. Love how the new chat feature for replays shows your true colors.
Regards,

Oh Bulgakov. Love how the new chat feature for replays shows your true colors.
Regards,

Oh Vonivan, love how you keep posting nice gifs of guys you like.

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