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by bothal08 16th March 2014, 18:01 PM
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Patch: 3.0.0.12781
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16 Mar 2014, 18:01 PM
#1
avatar of bothal08

Posts: 94

im so angry about this game...i dominated him but then a dual sniper combo just owned me 4 man squads vs dual snipers who just kite the whole time its bs. and then i have stupid t34 ramming my tiger ace and its gg because how do i repair my tank when he has dual snipers...ill admit maybe ostwind wasnt the best choice because i should have known something big was coming because he hadnt used any fuel but and those t34/85s just blow away infantry i thought they suppossed to sacrifice anti inf for AT capabilities.

i actually dont even think this guy when further than t1....snipers cons gaurds and then t34/85 spam

help please ( i hate losing games that i should definitely win )
16 Mar 2014, 20:35 PM
#2
avatar of sevenfour

Posts: 222

Yeah, double (triple) snipers are pure BS. Relic should fix snipers and there are so many easy ways of doing so (for example having a limit of 1 sniper squad on the field at any given time, same as artillery officer).

But as it has been said in the shout box before: One does not simply... fix the snipers :D

Sorry I can`t help you.
16 Mar 2014, 21:01 PM
#3
avatar of sluzbenik

Posts: 879

The game isn't balanced, I wouldn't bother playing Ostheer till they nerf PPSHs/somehow fix snipers.

There is literally no way to have enough manpower on the field to fight 4 PPSH squads plus snipers because of your cost of teching and constructing buildings. Your only hope is lucky mortar hits or Soviet player error.

16 Mar 2014, 21:12 PM
#4
avatar of BleuDivision

Posts: 53

M3 with sniper in it is op
sniper spam is op
ppsh costing 30muni and being able to back it up instantly with tanks is op
t34/85 is op
16 Mar 2014, 23:33 PM
#5
avatar of bothal08

Posts: 94

well 1v1 seems to be a bit unbalanced but with 2v2 my mate and i are doing pretty good so far... 7-0 so far
17 Mar 2014, 16:10 PM
#6
avatar of TNrg

Posts: 640

I wouldn't bother playing Ostheer till they nerf PPSHs/somehow fix snipers.


Unless you want to become a better player, now is a good chance ;)
17 Mar 2014, 16:41 PM
#7
avatar of bothal08

Posts: 94

well just won my first 1v1 in a while with mechanized assault doctrin
18 Mar 2014, 09:05 AM
#8
avatar of sluzbenik

Posts: 879

jump backJump back to quoted post17 Mar 2014, 16:10 PMTNrg


Unless you want to become a better player, now is a good chance ;)


Well, it's not possible. With 5 conscripts out, you are going to get flanked and have MP drain. Usually they are not taking nearly as much, and it's impossible to wipe Soviet squads. Nothing beats Vet 3 PPSH, so you are screwed.

18 Mar 2014, 09:32 AM
#9
avatar of bothal08

Posts: 94

i should have gone p4 not ostwind and that might have helped
19 Mar 2014, 14:06 PM
#10
avatar of GenMe

Posts: 294

oh do behave yourselves, Sniper counters are already in place for Axis, just get a couple scout cars or upgrade to gwer, hell you can also counter snipe, don't be afraid of his two man squad use your extended range, if he retreats then snipe away until he gets back after spending 95 mp.

he wont be so confident when he returns.
19 Mar 2014, 14:10 PM
#11
avatar of GenMe

Posts: 294



Well, it's not possible. With 5 conscripts out, you are going to get flanked and have MP drain. Usually they are not taking nearly as much, and it's impossible to wipe Soviet squads. Nothing beats Vet 3 PPSH, so you are screwed.



I actually prefer cons without ppsh, they are only effective close range but will still lose against PGrens, better to have them fight at range from cover.
19 Mar 2014, 16:55 PM
#12
avatar of bothal08

Posts: 94

i just felt like i was winning the engagements but still losing the game if that makes sense...like there was no decrease in pressure for me killing his troops
20 Mar 2014, 14:22 PM
#13
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EARLY GAME:

You only saw 2 Cons (no molies), and one inside a house which was clearly delaying capping from you. You should have smell something fishy (T1-T2).

You kept engaging snipers on 1v1 instead of blobbing hard. Pullback, dont give him XP, stop mp bleed and then proceed to push him offmap. Build a bunker and secure your/his cutoff.

Midgame:

Several mistakes.
LMGs and vetting grens. You could have place some mines in order to restrict movement to the infantry. LMGs are useless against snipers since it also reduces your DPS on the move. If you just waited till G43 it would had been better.
You could had either gone with PGs and screening with Pios or grens. Besides mines n demos he has nothing to stop you.

Vetting grens and getting SC (which did nothing) was just a waste of fuel. If you had been patient, and gone T1 into T3 you could had seal the match pretty quickly with a faster Ostwind.

Lategame: he pushed you offmpap till you had time to wait for TA. Which shows how utterly BS that unit can still be. Snipers need to be babysit so you can expect your opponent to make mistakes in other parts of the map (unless he has just better micro/multitasking). Your TA kept sniping and wiping squads with just attack move. 2 shots, 2 snipers squad cleaned.
In 2 minutes it was able to recover all the damage the snipers made you.
With all the damage the TA made, you just needed to have some grens or tellers nearby to stop the rams. That was his only bet left.


Conclusion: you made the wrong tech decisions and didnt capitalize the huge potential advantage you had during early-mid game. With some luck in your favour you could had got the snipers on several ocassions finishing the game. Shit happens. Anyway, you could also had won the match with BS TA if you gave it some cover.
20 Mar 2014, 14:42 PM
#14
avatar of bothal08

Posts: 94

EARLY GAME:

You only saw 2 Cons (no molies), and one inside a house which was clearly delaying capping from you. You should have smell something fishy (T1-T2).

You kept engaging snipers on 1v1 instead of blobbing hard. Pullback, dont give him XP, stop mp bleed and then proceed to push him offmap. Build a bunker and secure your/his cutoff.

Midgame:

Several mistakes.
LMGs and vetting grens. You could have place some mines in order to restrict movement to the infantry. LMGs are useless against snipers since it also reduces your DPS on the move. If you just waited till G43 it would had been better.
You could had either gone with PGs and screening with Pios or grens. Besides mines n demos he has nothing to stop you.

Vetting grens and getting SC (which did nothing) was just a waste of fuel. If you had been patient, and gone T1 into T3 you could had seal the match pretty quickly with a faster Ostwind.

Lategame: he pushed you offmpap till you had time to wait for TA. Which shows how utterly BS that unit can still be. Snipers need to be babysit so you can expect your opponent to make mistakes in other parts of the map (unless he has just better micro/multitasking). Your TA kept sniping and wiping squads with just attack move. 2 shots, 2 snipers squad cleaned.
In 2 minutes it was able to recover all the damage the snipers made you.
With all the damage the TA made, you just needed to have some grens or tellers nearby to stop the rams. That was his only bet left.


Conclusion: you made the wrong tech decisions and didnt capitalize the huge potential advantage you had during early-mid game. With some luck in your favour you could had got the snipers on several ocassions finishing the game. Shit happens. Anyway, you could also had won the match with BS TA if you gave it some cover.


thanks for the reply man ill take note of your tips and just keep playing.
I dont think im experienced enough to make some of the tech decisions you were talking about but all in good time.

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