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Thread: Medium tank balance to make stuff more interesting.13 Aug 2014, 10:37 AM Jump back to quoted post13 Aug 2014, 10:31 AMausterlitz I don't build panther for anti infantry work...with its accuracy and shit DPs its worthless pricewise no matter how much armor u slap into it. Whats the point in scaling if it would lose to t-34/76-a tank taht would still cost 15 fuel less. Although i do add,ur change would nerf the is-2 very hard too.9 sec reload ..lol. Hmm, well i believe that if it's anti infantry was to be matched to the PIVs gun, that would require to touch the "scatter" on the gun, which would automatically make it's accuracy the same as the PIVs. And the PIV would not lose to the the t-34/76. They would have around the same chance to penetrate each other at ALL ranges, with a very slight advantage going to the PIV in terms of penetration, however the increased sight range would allow the PIV to get the first shot off, which would swing the engagement in it's favor. It would not be a nerf to the IS-2, it's reload will be increased by 1/3 and it's damage will be increased by 1/3. Not really a nerf at all. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Medium tank balance to make stuff more interesting.13 Aug 2014, 10:27 AM Jump back to quoted post13 Aug 2014, 10:22 AMausterlitz Making pz 4 even more worthless...and panther still 160 dmg dud gun with accuracy..no thanks. But in that list, i wrote that the panthers gun would match the PIVs gun in terms of anti infantry, hardly a dud to be honest with you. And the PIV in my eyes would actually get a buff with it's increased penetration and better scaling. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Medium tank balance to make stuff more interesting.13 Aug 2014, 10:21 AM Jump back to quoted post13 Aug 2014, 10:15 AMShadowTreasurer So you're just going to make the P4 and STUGIII have the same fuel cost? That makes no sense historically, and even Relic acknowledged that the STUGIII cost was roughly 2/3 of P4 (80 vs 125 fuel).... Armoured skirts on P4 only have 10 more armour than t34? That makes no sense either. ETC. The STUG III performance would be around the same of a PIV, altho with different pros and cons. It's not about real world cost, but instead of these tanks performance in-game. If the stug would perform as well as it did, and remained at 80 fuel, it would be grossly overpowered. Even with my suggestions, stugs would generally be preffered over panzer IVs ( and rightly so, wehrmacht did prefer some STUG instead of PIV) Also, about the PIV. The vet 0 PIV is the G version. It had 50mm worth of armor at both the hull and the turret. The t-34/76 had 70mm on the turret and around 70~ worth of armor on the hull. The PIV H. variant (which you get at vet 2, had hull armor of 80mm, and the turret still remained 50mm). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Medium tank balance to make stuff more interesting.13 Aug 2014, 10:03 AM So i think that at the moment, medium armor balance is a bit one directional in the sense that the panzer IV is a better t-34/76 in every way, and the t-34/85 is a better PV IV in every way. So im proposing some changes to change the way and add some assymetry to the whole thing and make it overall more interesting T-34/76 Armor buffed to 180. Cost upped to 110 fuel PIV Armor nerfed to 140 Gun penetration buffed to 120/140/160 (the same like a t-34/85) Sight increased to 45 (not range, but how far it can see) VET 2 increases frontal armor to 190 Sherman Armor buff to 190 Fuel cost increased to 115 or 120 T-34/85 Armor buff to 200 Double call in price increased to 280 STUG III Armor buff to 190 Fuel cost increase to 125 Health increase to 640. Panther Armor buff to 330 Rear armor from 110 to 80 VET 2 gives a rear armor boost to 120 Anti infantry potential matched to that of the PIV range nerfed to 40 IS-2 Reload increased to 9 seconds Damage from 160 to 240 AOE slightly reduced to prevent oneshots su-85 Armor buffed to 180 Why these changes need to be done - at the moment, the t-34/76 is just a worse version of the P IV since it's gun got nerfed to basically match the panzer IV in terms of anti infantry performance when WFA hit, so buffing it's armor would make it a more interesting matchup here, same with the sherman. And the t-34/85 is basically just a better version of the PIV. The thing here is that the stug III and Panzer IV would cost the same amount of fuel, the STUG III would become the "safe option" which basically it's a better investment at vet 0. However, making the PIV would become somewhat of a risky option, basically it being quite mediocre for it's price at 125 fuel, however, it would have incredibly good scaling with veterancy, basically becoming a slightly worse t-34/85 at vet 2. Pintle mounted machine gun and blitz would also justifiy the somewhat higher price. While the increased sight range would allow it to vet up since it would reduce the risk of it getting ambushed, and give it an advantage in 1v1 tank engagement because it would usually get the first shot off. The t-34/85 armor buff wouldn't really matter againts anything but stugs and PIVs, which allready had their pen buffed. Panther costs alot and is hard to get in 1v1, so it should perform much better than it should now. With the buffing of armor on soviet and american tanks it's superb penetration would no longer be "wasted". IS-2 increased damage and lowered reload to give it more "flavor". In: COH2 Balance
Thread: T-34 ram ability RNG directional ?12 Aug 2014, 16:10 PM Do not use ram. EVER. Seriously, when it penetrates, it has 160 penetration, it's got like 97% chance to damage the engine and the rest 3% are main gun criticals/heavy engine damage/immobilization. In all cases it is just better to either shoot the gun of the tank, or let it live and escape. Yes its got a higher chance to penetrate on the rear, penetration is pretty much garuanteed on rear armor. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Button12 Aug 2014, 09:43 AM You should of seen button how it was in coh 1. Smoke negates it instantly, so keep that in mind. Smoke is doctrinal, but so are gaurds! Both gaurds and panzer tactician are quite common abilities. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Relic @ Gamescon 201411 Aug 2014, 20:09 PM I predict theater of war content. My hopes are for battle of kursk theater of war and adding some new soviet & german vehicles. ISU-122, SU-122 , SU 100? (hehehe not sure how that would work) an elephant with lower armor and a mobility of a t-34? However, it will prbaly be some battle of the bulge theater of war. Hope we get to see bombing of dresden and shooting of german prisoners, since the soviet campaign was all focused on soviet crimes. In: Lobby
Thread: Maxim Spam11 Aug 2014, 10:36 AM Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2014, 08:59 AMJaigen This is nonsense argument. support weapons are not supposed to get hit. if you then you have made a mistake. second the mg42 and 34 and functioning perfectly fine despite facing the ami's which can have the highest dps output per popcap in the game. So what is the problem then? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Maxim Spam11 Aug 2014, 07:36 AM I don't understand, some people here seem to not understand that that all axis units have proportionally higher DPS than their soviet counterparts to account for the larger squad sizes. A german sniper kills a soviet 6 man team just as fast as a soviet sniper kills a 4 man team. A grenadier squad kills a maxim just as fast as a conscript squad kills a mg 42 team. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: soviet cheese11 Aug 2014, 07:27 AM soviets remind me of the brits from coh 1. No matter which strat they do it is constantly yelled at being OP OP OP OP. While in reality the brits are underpowered due to their faction design. In: Lobby