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Tbh, i don't see danes problem with volks. I mean i know he wants them to have a 5x stg upgrade and a 1 lmg upgrade, but why?
Soviet conscripts also don't get any weapon upgrades, except ppsh which is doctrinal, and scale horribly.
Volks on the otherhand scale pretty well.
I know i myself suggested an LMG upgrade for conscripts, but, that's the way relic designed conscripts.
PG i agree, just give them the old 1.2 armor back, or whatever that equates to increased accuracy, and we will be fine. Increase cost to 360 if needed.
Not sure why he hates the jagpanzer either... |
Beat Puma -s, for cost ratio, especially with Guards, but witout them, only AT nade available conscript enough too, prevent cricle strafe. SU 76 here underrated, as US AT gun too...
Ok, please post a replay of you beating a well known, good OKW player while spamming su-76s, then i can trust you. |
From the turret need avoid the circle strafing, at max range shootout not real problem for me use a turretless unit, with hold the range distance, i CAN use the weak Jagtiger or ISU pretty well vs turreted tanks  .
I know the free barrage ability, a bit random-lottery gun yes, but i feel better for clearing out the garrisons, force enemy squads leave his cover, than Pumas coaxical mg.
Soviets T4 here in the community, underrated imo too. Where is this rule, the SU player ONLY can build after the T1/T2, a t3 building? If you feel, Puma spam arrive, why you cant going some Guards doctrine, with off map SUPERIOR t34/85 med tanks, and start a cheaper, T1 buildings, with 40 F price, SKIP the t3, instead build fast T4, and counterspamming the SU 76? I guarantee, if you doing well, Sniper-Guards-M3 open, followed by SU 76, and later on T34/85 with mark target, will beat with good success the Puma spam...
Just try spamming su-76s, and see how horrible they truly are. |
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Tbh, the jackson is a very good tank destroyer when microed properly and plus it has a turret and plus it comes in a tier that also has M4 shermans and scotts, making it good combined arms.
Compared to the su-85, which has less speed, no turret, less damage and comes in a tier that is completely inflexible.
The thing that really needs some fixing, is wehrmacht and soviet T4, both are pretty bad. |
Just my opinon, THE community hated/negligated/underrated SU76 is can handle PUMA fair enough, for his price, su 76 is a soft countered the puma... I dont know, how many people realized here, the SU 76 has 240mp/70F price, and Puma cost in SU res. system 320Mp/100 F, SU 76 has better armor, better range, same damage, BETTER armor penetration at longer shoot distance, at 60 range with 90 piercing vale, with 120 damge, PUMA only can same 120 damage, at shorter 50 max range, with lesser armor piercing value, only 80. Both unit very quick, and agile. Puma have coaxical mg, SU have free barrage ability. A protected(Guards is the easy way, AT naded concript is enough too) SU 76 can Kite the shit out of PUMA... But i know, the community mood here say: SU 76 is a shit unit, Puma with lesser range/and penetration/higher price OP vs med tanks, need shorter range and/or penetreation reduction, ok then  ...
SU-76 also comes from a completely different tier, only has 320hp, has absolutely zero anti inf direct fire potential, barrage is quite easy to avoid, and lacks a turret making it very hard for it to use it's range advantage.
Puma completely hardcounters soviet T4. |
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Yeah, you can duplicate obersoldaten this way. |
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amazing, 10/10 would spam conscripts again |
is-2 also was a tank that if realism be taken into account loses head on vs the panther because its gun can't penetrate panther's frontal armor while panther can.And it lacks speed to flank panther.So short of an ambush it usually lost to panther..but thats not how its portrayed ingame is it?
IS-2s could punch throught the glacis of the panther no problem. However, it depends on what the IS-2 uses.
With AP uncapped rounds can't punch throught the frontal glacis of the panther at all.
Now lets take a look APBC rounds.
Punches throught a panther no problems at all.
SORRY FOR HORRIBLY MURDERING THIS THREAD IN A HORRIBLE HORRIBLY HORRIBLE TERRIBLE MANNER.
P.S Please don't tell me that calculator thing is bullshit because it says that the t-34/85 can punch through the frontal turret of the panther at 1000m, while cannot defeat the hull at all.
This explains everything - Rounded mantlets - Currently the calculator does not take the effect of a rounded manlet into consideration as hits may occur at very favorable angles (0) or very unfavourable angles (60+), it is planned to allow users to input a favorable or unfavourable hits at some point |
Why would you put PTRS on Cons when you can have Guards? Why would you plant light mine if you can plant normal mine.
Why would you use AT bombing run when you can have FAB-50+ISU or T34/85??
Useless in my opinion.
PTRS on cons is more efficent because of cheaper reinforce cost, and spamming gaurds is not a very good idea.
AT bombing run is cheaper, and is ALOT harder to dodge than fab-50.
Light mine is not triggered by infantry. |
Is your friend available now? Maybe we can do one more test to see the value of the mines and the salvage kit.
He isin't my friend sadly, i just found his thread on the forums. |
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