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Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2016, 14:07 PMHighfiveeeee

British 17 Pounder:

Pros:

- Invincible crew; cannot be taken by the enemy
- About 3-4 times the HP of the PaK43
- Doesn't need a specific commander
- Can Brace
- Has more range than the PaK43
- Can be covered by a mortar pit

Cons:

- Costs 70 fuel

PaK43

Pros:

- Can shoot through buildings
- Doesn't cost Fuel

Cons:

- Countered by any artillery immideatly
- Costs 600MP
- Very little HP
- Only available in some commanders
- No brace or anything



TBH I would take a 17pounder over a PaK43 anytime.

• Non doc
  
• Brace
  
• Can't be decrewed
  
  Cons:
  
• No arc of fire
  
• 70 Fuel
  
• 20 pop cap
  
• Can be destroyed by incendiary
  
• Can be destroyed by small arms fire
  
• Can be countered by at guns
  
• Can't shout through obstacles
  
  Pak43:
  
  Pros:
  
• Costs only MP
  
• Can shoot through everything
  
• Can surpsire enemy when built behind blockers
  
• Better RoF
  
• Cannot be destroyed by small arms
  
• Cannot be destroyed by incendiary
  
• Arc of fire
  
• Veterancy
  
  Cons:
  
• Doctrinal
  
• Easy to decrew
  
• Can be killed by off map.
  
  I wonder where you did you find that part about 3-4 more HP. Pak43 without crew needs 3 shots to be destroyed. With crew, you need at least 2 shots to kill crew and then additional 2-3 shots to destroy it.
  Full health 17 Pounder needs 5 shots. So I just wonder how 4-5 shots are 3-4 times more than 5 shots?
  
  As far as I know, both have 80 range. At least it's something what coh2 stats says.
  
  Just a fact that you see only 1 con for 17 pounder and only 2 pros for Pak43 speaks for itself.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2016, 06:57 AMinsaneHoshi

Because Fuiliers, and Jaegers are supposed to have about 1.25 times the vet bonuses of comparable infantry.

Or in other words Penals should really have 80% of what they have now according to that guideline.

That is one possible counterexample.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2016, 22:15 PMFiresparks

limited case but easy to do.




https://www.coh2.org/replay/54569/penal-vs-ober

here's a replay with more tests. the result is a lot closer in my case.