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Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2016, 17:04 PMVipper

Since the 222 thread is turning rather ugly my suggestion on what to try about the 222 are the following:

1)As already posted allow a upgrade with panzerbusche by replacing the hmg42 221 with the panzerbusche the panzer grenadiers use (campaign).

2) Reintroduce the 221 making them both available. The 221 can have a HMG with good penetration and act as cheap counter to M3 and bren carriers, have some AI capabilities, has bonus vs snipers and spot, keeps same veterancy bonuses and is recon vehicle.

The 222 can also be built (and not upgraded) a bit more expensive, maybe locked behind T3 research, has worse AI, less spotting but has better penetration and HP and it is able to help against more heavily armed vehicles like m20, T70, Stuart. It has an AT ability of some sort like stun of higher penetration and vet bonuses fit its role of a soft light vehicle counter...

Think these solution allows better tools to balance the unit out, than a straight up buff to 222...

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2016, 07:48 AMEsxile

Unlikely other factions, Sov and USF don't have stock heavy tanks
Unlikely other factions, OKW doesn't have stock HMG
Unlikely other factions USF and brit don't have stock rocket arty
etc...

See what I mean?

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 19:24 PMEsxile

1- You don't need 222 if there is no scout car on the field.
Or
2- You build it to harrass flanks and then your opponent need to build AT or t70/Stuart/AEC to counter it.

Your proposal makes it reliable to be build every match so scout car meta is definitively over and light armor are in trouble vs it. don't you see the balance gap it generates?

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 16:45 PMRollo

You already have the flame HT in tier 2 that deals double the damage as a single wasp Bren for 30 more muni

a 222 buff would break balance vs brits and force you into the overpriced 440mp AEC every game. 222 already hard counters PIAT tommies/Vickers/Bren carrier and the sniper, not sure it needs a buff.

It's also funny people mention the 222 being outgunned by the stuart or T-70 that arrive a minute later when the WASP bren upgrades at the same time a 222 can be built (the former being utterly helpless against it because zero IS snare unlike faust).

222 is a unit with its own niche, it can rush a sniper/m20/Bren WASP and pay for itself even if you trade. It's not underpowered in any way, I come up against my fair share of top players that rush a 222 and even into the lategame it has it's use for chasing off shocks/tommies (not to mention doctrinal spotting scopes and smoke).

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 17:15 PMNapalm

Why not lower the price of the Ostwind? Seems to me like at its current performance level that it would be a good fit. 70 fuel/300ish MP. Done and done.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 09:21 AMBeefSurge

Overall I like the concept, however ahistorical it may be.

In terms of balance I think this wouldn't change too much about any matchup except for USF vs Ost; this thing reliable countering LT tier would make M20 rush even more of the meta than it already is, because M20 would have to kill snipers by 5:00 mark or it would be gg. This in turn lends itself to mines.

So tbh I think that it should recurve your changes, but come only with MG and have to pay 50 muni for autocannon.