The only reason the unit is even a thing is because now Brits have no other option against the early Luchs.
you mean other than the 6pdr, the sniper, AT IS, mines... |
in a perfect spot vs which one of the faction? The AEC is good against maybe two units in the entire game, the 222, and maybe the luchs.
It doesn't have the AOE or the coaxial to kill infantry and lack the acceleration and range to take on medium tank.
so basically what you're saying is, you want the AEC to win a straight up 1v1 against medium tanks. alright, i want the 222 to take on an M36 in a 1v1, so pls buff :-(
btw, despite clearly not being an anti infantry vehicle, i think you underestimate the AECs capabilties against infantry (it's not a whole lot worse than a 222, i did some testing of AEC/222 AI last patch). It also is very capable of finishing off any retreating tank that is sufficiently damaged. |
let's not get side track. The whole doc vs non-doc argument doesn't apply to okw puma vs brit aec anyway.
so you want to buff a unit that is in a perfect spot vs. one of the factions, but not against the other(s)... there's no way this could go wrong, right? |
Because they have different roles. Mandos are exclusively AI, cost a whopping 500 manpower, telegraph their landing zone to the jerries and are of course doctrinal. PGrens are more generalist, non-doctrinal and can be upgraded to use Shrecks.
AEC and Puma have the same role; light vehicle that sucks vs infantry but is good against other light vehicle. All things considered they cost the same, but the Puma performs straight up better, with more range and the ability to engage mediums while the AEC runs for its life from anything bigger than a Luchs. That was OK back when OKW had the ressource penalty, now it is not.
Ahhh the hypocrisy... i love it. Snipers next... explain why the brit sniper is UP :-) |
Relic release a nazi patch in december,they should try to play allies...is nearly impossible to win
As evidenced by the winrate of allies, which for the top players has hovered around 60-70% over the last few months.
Game is only balanced once allies have 80+% right? |
Dude Puma is not a doc unit for OKW and OH version is just a clone. Doc unit does not always mean they are better like OKW Ostwind is exactly the same as OH. Pio would perform as well as commandos if they cost the same so please dial down the salt.
Then why arent pgrens as strong as commandos? Mandos can be dropped everywhere with a free reinforce bunker... they can cloak, throw nades and smoke and on retreat pop smoke as well. All my pgrens get is a 120 ammo double schreck upgrade. :-(
In case it isnt obvious, i am mimicing your aec/puma rant.
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L2Math.
On 2v2 Map, with 50% map control you gain 26f per minute. At 15min you have (let's assume that you need 2 mins to get 50% map so at 15min you would have 13:30min fuel with 50% map income).
So 26x13,5 = 351 Fuel.
How much fuel you need to rush KT?
380 fuel.
Gap? 29fuel which is less than 1 drop form OST player.
Now you ve been completly outplayed by 50% mao control to get 15min KT (of even faster with 2 drops which would be 100/26= 3,8min, so 15min-3,8min=11,2min  )
So one player spent 0 fuel in 15 minutes and you didnt manage to gain any map control in that time? Idk, but i guess you'd tell me to "l2p" if i was complaining about 15 minute churchills... right? |
here's the problem
with a puma I would feel confident taking on a sherman, t34/76, or a cromwell one on one, provided it's a open area.
I can't say the same thing with the AEC. It's an inferior puma in everyway except for the scatter on its cannon. The AEC can't even take on an ostwind while the centuar is a sitting duck for the Puma.
Before someone say to flank the ostwind, the ostwind's turret have a rotational speed of 120 degree per second. That turret effectively turn instantaneously. The turret on the aec only turn 35 degree per second, the same speed as the wehr pziv.
The Puma is useful because it's an effective tank hunter as well as light vehicle hunter. Being merely a light vehicle hunter is too narrow of a role to be useful.
and the AEC shouldn't get a buff against infantry. The british have the bren carrier as an anti-infantry vehicle and the wehr doesn't need another stuart clone to deal with.
Lets keep comparing stock units to doc units. I always wanted my pios to perform just as well as commandos ;-) |
Also, mobile demo that can move while camo and self spot, doesn't require any supporting unit to place and costs just 10 more then normal static non self spotting demo?
Yeah, that sounds like a good balance idea.
you mean like cloaked commandos with the ability to throw nades?
the butthurt in this thread is real. |
Looks like it's doing its job to me.
Just don't bunch your goons up.
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