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My thoughts.

I think that penals are the missing link in the soviet army, and buffing them mid-long range will make soviet infantry play much more relevant and will solve most of the current issues.

Conscripts are fine till midgame as they are. I don't mind not buffing them, but if they're going to be the cannonfodder of the soviet army, their upkeep or reinforce cost should be decreased once T3/T4 had been built seeing how they don't kill anything, their molo is barely useless and their ATnade can't reliably pen anything except halftracks.

@Cannonade, conscripts doesn't scale lategame at all. Saying otherwise is nonsense. Even Relic developers know they don't scale and want to keep them like that.

And about grens, if you don't buy their awesome lmg upgrade then is your fault if they don't scale lategame. 60 ammo is not expensive, is the same price of a flamer.
I can't believe than someone could complaint that vanilla vet 3 grens are useless. At least faust is always useful.

EDIT:
By the way, soviet's infantry problems are bigger in teamgames. You can still see some people using cons & penals in 1vs1 games. But in 2vs2, sniper/maxim starts are much more common.

Even if seeing my enemy spawning units behind my defensive line makes me rage, I still consider that trapping them using wire is a cheap tactic.

Maybe the building-spawn system should be reworked in some way to add some kind of predictable limitations, like only being able to spawn in buildings on sectors adjacent to the ones owned or such.

In the worst case, let them just spawn like USF paratroopers.

It's just that I don't like that ability but I don't like neither the cheap counter of using wire to trap units.

Then what would be the difference between Elefant and JT? 15 more range ONLY?

And that they belong to different factions.

To compensate, add some ability to JT instead, but shooting throught obstacles is lame and unfair.

@austerlitz, is so hard to understand that shocks are doctrinal and thus chosing them means that you don't have guards or another abilities/call-ins?? Meanwhile you can always have Pgrens to support any ost build.
And that they are a pure AI unit unlike PGrens who are multipurpose and can effectively destroy tanks?

I don't understand why you obsessively try to compare both units when their roles are so different. Compare Pgrens with Guards which have a more similar AI/AT role.

The suggestions in the thread are quite dramatic. Give soviets some new commanders and the usf a Heavy tank then maybe some more players will go allies.

Soviets don't need new commanders. What they need is a funny infantry play.

Conscripts and penals should be changed someway to make the faction appealing.