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Wow. This thread.
We played enough 3v and 4v to know that its get massed 100 out of 101 times.
Yes we play soviet, no we are not a couple of fanboys but simply want to address the problem that is now appearent in 3v and 4v.

What changes would you propose to make this unit balanced in all the game modes. Meaning its viable to both win with this unit and lose with this unit and that the risk are proportionality to the rewards?

You cant increase its price too much cause its near the reach of unattainable in smaller game modes (1v1,2v2).

Just thinking about it is hard =/

How to deal with the JT (from bigrat's experince and perspective)

1)The JT is a very expensive unit and if the OkW players gets a puma or jagp4 to hold for it---> your best strategy is to try and overwhelm him with 2 or more tanks and force him to spend more fuel to vehicle AT or lose.

2)If your facing a JT then what i recommend it take out the JT support AT units. In my experience i find HEAVY ARTY works best against strategies that center around the JT, simply because having a JT in your army core makes your army more in the immobile defensive role. So my strategy of attack goes like this:

First get some Heavy arty (priest/bl152mm) and move in with your *vetted* infantry first in a way where you can see how the frontline is going to shape out but not have to force retreat most of them after 5 seconds of combat, once you see where the enemy units are positioning, arty their SUPPORT AT (not the JT itself!!!!!!) and pushing with your infantry to deal damage. Once you have cleared enough where you judge it safe, move in with 2 or more tanks and flank the JT. It useful to have your tanks out of the opponents sight (means not shooting at them) before you move them in. The element of surprise is very powerful, use it to your advantage.

3)Its important to predict when a JT is going to hit the field, things to be on the lookout for is units in the JT doc (and units not in the JT doc as well, such as the mg 34 =]). Also when your flanking the JT, DONT over extend yourself, if you know the flanks going to fail and you are going to lose your tanks PULL OUT immediately you never know when RNG is going to go your way (or the opponents parents come in to beat the kid for staying up too late =])
LAST AND THE MOST IMPORTANT LITTLE TID BIT: the JT is mini stunned everytime a shot penetrates its armor, this makes it extremely rewarding to flank. And don't give the JT FREE VET that means be VERY aware where your positioning your tanks and where the JT is probably positioning itself.

I understand that the JT might be an imposing unit to face off against but its also extremely satisfying to flank and destroy (trust personal experience talking here )

Hope my experience and strategy either helps you beat the JT or helps you make your own strategies to counter it. GL HF

PS. Saying things like "Soviet players can't do this" or "German players can't do that" isn't contributing to the conversation in any way. Please if you want other players to see from your point of view, understand from theirs as well and construct your argument around the two instead of attacking them directly or indirectly. If you don't want to put the effort into making argument that appeals to both sides that keep your opinion to yourself. You got give respect to receive it.

you ask the bears nicely =]

For this grave insolence I officially declare thy an enemy of RtN and cows. You cannot run, you cannot hide. Wherever you go, there will be cows watching you. Whatever game you play, a RtN member will streamsnipe you until you apologize for your behavior.


Now more seriously. This game is not only played by top 10/20/50/200 1v1 players, but also has a major amount of people playing 3v3, 4v4 or compstomps. The balance that top 1v1 players seek is probably not the one casual 4v4 players seek. That this often conflicts can be seen in the forums or if you simply ask people. An IS-2 is an issue in a 1v1 and most players would say it overperforms (due to instant squadwipes, heavy armor), similar for the KV-8. If you ask a 4v4 player about the IS-2 most will say it comes out far too late and is too weak (once again, similar for the KV-8). So unless you have different values for different gametypes you will rarely achieve a balance that's good in 1v1 as well as 4v4. In a similar way there is the difference between casual and competitive. Most casual players play CoH2 because it's visually appealing. Their micro and attentiveness is not as high as for a competitive player which often causes a differing opinion on units. Prime example for this is the T34. Used frontally against a PIV it will work only mediocre, yet if you manage to get a good flank and can attack it's rear it can compete against a ~1/3 more expensive unit.

I think the majority of the people posting in these balance threads tend to only think about themselves. That's no problem as long as all types of players are represented and can argue for their way. Yet confining it to only the "top 200" or such would break this. As much as the "top x" 1v1 players think of themselves as the glorious best part of CoH2, a lot of them lack a deeper understanding of the mechanics and even more important the understanding that they are just one part of the community.

+1

where is stephennJF =/