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Thread: Is FRP beneficial to GAMEPLAY?27 Jun 2017, 19:54 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2017, 18:27 PMSiphon X. Re 4: Not 100% what you mean. It's not exactly like good players that pull of perfect moves never have to hard retreat, right? There is surely a tradeoff. Like, yes, of course, a player that gets one of his units suppressed should get punished. How much, though? Would a 2 minute retreat be sufficient? 5 Minute? 10 Minute? At what point does it get boring to wait? And yes, ordering your units around in whatever way is typically more fun than waiting for them to retreat/get healed/repaired and so on. I'm saying that FRPs are there to just circumvent the nature of big maps which on tops degrades the game into more spam/blob fest till one side has a big enough of momentum to overwhelm the enemy blob/army. Retreat times to HQ are equal for everyone. I think the initial design for FRP was for factions with limited stage powerlevels, tools or utilities to recover terrain after losing initiative. By taking a look at their vanilla release, you can see how much they have gain since then. The one which makes little sense IMO is the UK one, unless the main design for it was to bring "balance" to 3v3+ and there you NEED a FRP. Note that this is my critic to the current LIVE FRP model. I wouldn't mind a more proactive decision making around them. For ex: wild idea for USF (OKW having a static med HQ makes it less flexible). Major setups a radio/beacon/whatever structure point as a FRP. Cost mp/extremely fragile. Now, the major get's an ability with a certain low cooldown (you can't mass retreat blobs) which forces single units to retreat to that point. Can't be cast on pinned/suppressed units nor while the major is under those effects as well. Range is big (50-60) enough for the unit to be on the backline without entering combat. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: The 10%27 Jun 2017, 16:47 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2017, 12:24 PMAlphrum because ther are more axis players... I wonder why? When allies have 3 factions and they used to be more people playing as allies some months ago, going from 2v2 and up to 3v3 and 4v4 which some years before would be unthinkable... Where did all those players go ? In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Is FRP beneficial to GAMEPLAY?27 Jun 2017, 16:25 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2017, 07:33 AMSiphon X. Reasons why FRPs could be beneficial to gameplay: Add a strategic decision (tactical in case of USF) on when and where to set up the FRP. Add a counterplay mechanic to blobs (force retreat, barrage FRP) More usefulness for static artillery Reduces downtime in a game Problem comes from over estimating this so called "pros". 1- Strategic decision: is is "strategic" to ALWAYS build your tiers as SU/OH on the border of your base so you can reinforce while moving out or doing so while fighting? I want to put really huge emphasis on the ALWAYS part. When a decision ends up been a no brainer, there's no longer a tactical/strategic decision IMO. Ex1: good strategic choice would be putting your Med truck on Semoisky near the city and play aggro so you can push the advantage of having meds and reinforce on the front, while you consider that to be outweighting the risks of indirect fire or having to retreat from that position. Not sure how many players played like that but before UKF/CalliOP it was a valid option on 2v2 and i remember some players like Koreanarmy doing so on 1v1. There was also the factor that there was less rocket artillery or it was riskier, putting the pressure only on mortar fire. SU: Howitzer play was not as strong/meta and it arriving later. USF: lacking indirect unless going Infantry with Priests. Ex2: no brainer current situation. Right now FRP doesn't see play on 1v1 (as it always had been). 2v2 happens depending on opponent and map. Still less frequent than before. But in the cases you can use it, you put it right behind a shotblocker or pocket places on the map, on which only a REAL forward Howitzer can reach it. Then you have 3v3+ that due to map nature and playstyle, makes them no brainer on pocket defensive position. 2-If they have the possibility of forcing a mass retreat and been able to barrage a FRP, then he just need to deactivate the forced retreat on that position. Unit will just go back to HQ. 3-Basically point 2. 4-Reduces downtime in a game. This i wouldn't consider it a GOOD option for the fact that it promotes "bad gameplay behaviour" (smashing heads back to back). WITH THAT BEEN SAID, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD ELEMENT TO GAMEPLAY IF we are not hypocritical in saying that it adds strategical depth and embrace the fact that you like YOLO modes with lots of bashing heads to head and spamming of units n vehicles. Hey, i also like this type of gameplay from time to time. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Why so many people play german25 Jun 2017, 17:24 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2017, 10:36 AMObersoldat Funfact: Out of all of the automatch games played exactly 50% played as Allies and 50% as Axis. 50.01% played as Allies cause there were people abusing faction swapping Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2017, 14:57 PM__deleted__ The third categhory are guys who enjoy izi wins and play the most OP faction of current time Ding ding ding. We have a winner. People who play because of tanks, uniforms, history or just 1 faction lovers are the minority. People who play what's the strongest at the moment are the majority. For 2v2 and beyond: -When axis was ez mode with the release of WFA, you'll see a steady rise on the amount of Axis games. -When allies was ez mode with the release of UKF, people swap over to the new faction. -OKW escaping scope and allied cheese been nerfed, let's go back to playing Axis. Shame we don't have coh2charts for accurate stats. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How to counter early Soviet FW HQ in team games.24 Jun 2017, 02:16 AM -Identify commander in the enemy loadout. -If the map has a stone building in a key position which could cut you off, DONT ABANDON IT. Ex: south spawn Trois Point (Church) or Ettelbruck's middle Station. -If the map is composed of wooden houses, then DON'T FIGHT over the FHQ. Use suppression and nuke it with indirect fire. If you push, use flamers/nades. OH: flamer pio, mortar, FHT, mortar HT. OKW: Stuka - P2, ISG - Flak HT. Volley nade, Goliath. Remember, don't panic. Each FHQ means 300mp/60f down the drain if you are patient enough to not over-commit mp bleed into it. Buildings can't be repaired and any damage done, is permanent. The commander is practically an all in since it has no late game power. Anything more than 1 of them, means NO TECH/VEHICLES from the soviet player. On teamgames, be careful of what their partner is doing. Don't be with your pants down if you are against an UK player and he skips all tech to get a quick Centaur/Cromwell. Ideally one player goes something fuel based to kill it early and the other goes for a medium tank. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Worst and Best rocket arty.23 Jun 2017, 16:03 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Jun 2017, 13:52 PMSturmpanther I remember of a game on Sittard Summer, when it was in automatch. 3 Vet5 Stuka killed a Full Hp ISU!!! Any question left? Yes. Y U NO BAN SHITTARD ? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is FRP beneficial to GAMEPLAY?22 Jun 2017, 01:23 AM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 23:18 PMNano So instead of removing a mechanic that arguably makes the game more fun not waiting ages for retreating units on larger game modes, why don't we give doctrinal FRP for the two factions that don't have? Since you say changing maps is impossible, which I doubt. The Sov FHQ could be balanced and have a FRP purchasable upgrade added. and Ost could have a command bunker purchasable FRP upgrade on a doctrine too. That way if the EF armies want the same benefits they don't normally get they have to make strategic risk reward decisions around the doctrine they pick as all games should be. Because it isn't always possible? Haven't you ever had a squad smacked by a mortar lose like 70% of its HP before? you can't risk a casual walk away when that happens. Walking into Vikars/Maxims/MG34 is a guarantee with OKW/USF especially on larger game modes, try just walking away from that. But that's the whole point. Having an ez retreat point diminish the downsides of your failure assault. You didn't scout, you didn't use indirect fire/smoke, you are punished if you can't save the squad by retreating to base and relegating position on the map. Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2017, 00:04 AMZombiFrancis Unless you have sprint or, say, Oorah, you can't outpace your enemy and just take more damage and losses. And your infantry won't be able to return fire backtracking either because the infantry won't seek cover or run except to stay in formation. Retreat gives considerable bonuses. Not sure why there's question about that. Foresight. Relegate position BEFORE engaging again with low health/models squads. You know like, when you are fighting with 2 squads and make the one who take more damage soft retreat so it can decap when even with 1 model? The thing is that it's much easier to just have a single group of infantry, make a whole push and if something goes wrong, retreat, heal and repeat. This doesn't necessarily means blob, but more like human wave. Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2017, 00:04 AMZombiFrancis Oh yeah, I'm well aware of how all that went down. I'll admit it definitely set the precedent for the odds of future improvements to map making and the map pool being dismal at best. Well, if it's hard then it's not worth doing, eh? I mean, seriously c'mon, it's worth the attempt. Lists have been made of competently made 3v3 and 4v4 maps before. There's no reason the community can't nominate some popular maps for rotation and/or send some messages through steam to mapmakers, inactive or not. You said it. Everyone talks about "the community, the modders, the mapmakers, the OTHERS...", but who is willing to spend his time fixing it? This is not directed to you, but for those wondering "why we don't get new maps"? Well, someone has to spend countless hours working for "you" to enjoy it. Relic won't bother so, unless you do it yourself or know a group of people willing to do so, then it's just useless rant. For example: we don't have a list of good maps, maps which need rework and maps which are plain bad. Do we have any list of "good/potential" workshop maps? It's just ez to ask for things. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Is FRP beneficial to GAMEPLAY?21 Jun 2017, 21:30 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 20:08 PMdOPEnEWhAIRCUT snip You have to realise sometimes, less is more. Reducing powerlevel of certains things makes others which are neglected resurface. Also, elaborate on the features that CURRENTLY had been removed from the game. If you are worried about the mod, then you have to realise things can drastically change on it. What big changes were implemented: -The current mortar basically (which then Relic released OP single player mortar instead). -Making medium/heavy tanks no more no brainers (reduction on rear) -Remove random wipe from mines and criticals (deflection stun) -Suppression reduction on grenade range -AT weapon sniping shenanigans -Team weapon gunner prioritisation -A useful T3476 -Differentiation between Su76 and Su85 role -Penals (which basically brought a different cheese for a unit which had been dead for 3+ years) -QOL and changes for USF support weapons -Major artillery -Scott brought back (although not in the role i would like) -Brummbear back -Pios sandbag -PG finally deserved love. Now regarding OKW, rework stop midway. So it's both hit and miss in different aspects. -They now have non doctrinal snare, AI upgrade for Volks and non fuel suppression platform. -The LeFH you mention is part of having moved the MG34 into the base faction. Same with Luft gaining recon. About UKF: -Bren no longer a dead units and quite annoying i would say for 2v2+ -Suxton big QoL (but still Suxton will remain) OVERALL NERFS TO CHEESE. That's for the first part. Also bugfixes. So many bugfixes. And QOL. -Stealth exploit removed. -No longer light vehicles/tanks deciding on their own the game. -MOAR Penals changes. Whatever. -Medkits (OH n OKW) -Flak HT (after been dead for 1/2 years) -SQUAD FORMATION AND CLUMPING -RIP Ghost building exploits -MOAR QOL/Bugfixes -Overall nerf on several cheeses Finally: -After 4 years, :rip: maxim spam. Welcome to all the ones who didn't remember that Dhska hasn't been touched. -YAY finally not so stupid late UKF tank game. -Nerf to crushwell and M10 yolo roadkills. -The party is over. pARTY cover nerf. But Axis too stronk now. Teamgames rip due to OPKW and for majority of the playerbase. Well, when faction/units escapes scope, this is ought to happen. There's a reason SU needs some love after having 4 years of playing with cheese to remain competitive with meta (Lend lease been the last bastion). Now, the only thing i see you mostly complaining is about FRP. I advocate a nerf rather a removal (same concept i apply to emplacements. Less non brainer and more proactive decisions). But it seems people are mixing 2 different concepts about FRP. The power of soft retreat and having healing and reinforcement on the front is not touched. It's been showed that on 1v1 is barely used if at all. On 2v2 is situational* mostly depending on the map and for 3v3+ onwards is a no brainer because you cut down so much downtime going from the base up to the engagement which let's you take too many stupid decisions unpunished. Again, why you need a hard RETREAT POINT instead of MANUALLY soft retreating. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Volksgrenadiers21 Jun 2017, 18:14 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 16:28 PMDangerous-Cloth Penals? Sticky satchell, at weaponry, effective at all ranges weaponry and 6 men? Not versatile lol ? The problem with many of the OKW units is that they are either too versatile and thus overburdened, or just not versatile at all. I'll argue that Guards are/were versatile but not necessarily Penals. Penals are strong on the AI department but their snare is not reliable (unless the opponent makes a HUGE mistake) and the PTRS kills your AI in order to survive against whatever light vehicle your opponent rushes. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is FRP beneficial to GAMEPLAY?21 Jun 2017, 17:57 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 15:17 PMdOPEnEWhAIRCUT The game was more attractive when all factions were unique and there was no shortage in creativity when it came to high level play. The direction balance is headed doesn't seem to promote that same kind of creativity. Can you describe that "creativity" cause i can't really remember it. OKW: talking about resource starved OKW with Volk schreck spam or after the rework? Despite what version you talk about, they had been playing with the same commanders and units. 1v1 scavenge has been king since it's release. Then if you move on modes up you see a mix of Breakthrough and Spec ops. Some people go with Overwatch/Luft and with the recent addition of LeFH Fortifications has been back into the menu. Right now, the whole non doctrinal units are worth and OKW is currently the strongest for 2v2+ for 95% of the playerbase. USF: the ones who killed "creativity" was Relic introducing Pershing/CalliOP which basically overshadowed all of the other commanders. Note that since now light vehicles are balanced, this means you can't finish as easily games rushing to them which puts on evidence the flaws on the power levels. OKW been untouched by scope means it suffers the consequences on the lategame. Heavy cavalry, Tactical support and Armor company. Depending on mode, you'll see more of one or the other. Mechanized, Rifle and Infantry are more niche, good, but still 2nd options. I could continue with the other factions but i guess you get the point. PD: i'll mention that outside 1v1, i've seen the most commander diversity on 2v2+ for SU since i can remember. Lendlease is a powerhouse on 1v1 but falls on 2v2+ on the lategame. Guard Motor is no longer king. In: COH2 Gameplay